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You call it freedom. I call it sacrifice.

Why are you hatin’ on Mirka for her presumed lifestyle with Roger? Mirka was a tennis player and her career was cut short by injury. I see people are jealous of her because makes enough money to provide for her and the kids. She is the one the who gave Roger the opportunity to get the endorsements that match his on the court success.

Get a grip, Wilfried. If Stan’s wife wasn’t as supportive as Roger’s wife, that’s could be because her career comes first.

I’m not trying to insult you. I was simply suggesting that your logic is flawed.

As far as amnesty is concerned, you are wrong…again. Go do some research. Businesses want them here so they can make more money. Illegals are a stress on everyone here. They drive up costs in many different ways.

Healthcare costs go up because now we have to take care of treating those who are uninsured, effectively making someone like me pay more premium.

The list is huge. What part of “illegal immigrant” do you consider legal? What about those who get an education, come here legally, and work hard. They are given temporary visas and if they don’t have any work, are forced to leave, while those who crossed the border, and produced babies, are welcome to stay.

I’m not talking about immigrants, I’m talking about illegal immigrants. Big difference. These illegals, who will eventually become legal, will turn into a vote bank for Democrats. I’m a Democrat, and I do not like it one bit. Get your head straight man.

Hahaha…maybe you ought to remember that at one time, it was the Americans who were the immigrants Sid and that in the mid 1830s the Mexican border was populated by American immigrants. ‘Mexican authorities blamed much of the Texian unrest on American immigrants, most of whom had made little effort to adapt to the Mexican culture’

We Brits (or some of us) are the same: happy to have immigrants come over and do the shitty jobs when it suits, but when it becomes a problem? Let’s keep them out. And the Americans think the same way, forgetting of course that they snatched Texas away from the Mexicans in the first place. History has a way of coming back and biting us all in the ass.

I’m not an expert in legal and illegal immigration at all, Sid.
What I know is that refugees whose asyl-request is to be approved here in Belgium, don’t have the slightest chance unless they flee from a country where war is devastating the society.
And with all due respect for the US, Sid, I’m aware that we owe you people our freedom, but your current international politics are certainly creating more tensions and war then strictly necessary, whether it is in Syria, in Ucraine or even in the South Chinese sea, far from your own borders. Those politics worsen the flows of refugees and migration instead of calming them down here.
Perhaps you should read some of the critical voices in your own country, like for instance the articles of Paul Craig Roberts on his website, to understand what I’m talking about. Dirty things are going on behind the scenes, that’s clear.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/25/will-russia-china-hold-fire-war-alternative-paul-craig-roberts/
http://sputniknews.com/radio_burning_point/20140924/193242824/Expert-Islamic-State-Threat–Is-An-Excuse-for-Attacking-Syria.html
I personally don’t have a problem with migration though, never had.
In fact mainly blue-collar workers do have a problem here with the flows of new immigrants, because they feel their jobs threatened by the many immigrants (legal or illegal, it doesn’t matter much in that respect) who accept to work for lower salaries than the European natives. There is also enough historical evidence available, that it always has been a blue-collar worker problem in Western Europe.
The illegal immigrants don’t have a direct impact on social security contribution here, only an indirect impact on the general tax level (which is very high here).

Agree on farmers etc. Jonathan. But also remember that many immigrants work for public services, generally employed via agencies at barely minimum wage, as porters in hospitals, and caterers in schools for instance. Of course pressure is put on our services, but on the other side of the coin, our services would quite possibly collapse without them: chicken and egg situation perhaps. I reckon that half the hotels in London would collapse if they suddenly turfed all the immigrants out.

And Sid, childish or not (and please don’t bully or patronise me), but what happened in the past has led to the problems we now have. OK, no solution to that, but you might have some sympathy for the immigrants seeking a better life for their families.

As to the reasons for the amnesty – no doubt you’re right – but that’s hardly the fault of the immigrants is it? And as a Democrat, you voted him in. Would you rather have Bush back?!

You made fair points Jonathan and I agree that we need some sort of curb – if nothing else we must see that this little country is getting close to bursting it’s seams.
And you hope a Republican gets into the White House Sid, ‘and brings the country more to the center’ 😉 all I can say is, good luck with that.

I watched the first IPTL matches Jonathan and I have to say I really enjoyed it – fast, and fun. Shot clock worked a treat – Sharapova lost points – no surprise there. That’s why Nadal pulled out, he would have lost so many points he’d have been lucky to win a game. Muzza continues to be a loser – both mixed doubles (with Shara) and singles against Cilic. I’m almost starting to feel sorry for him. Indian Aces (Feds team) are top of the leader board ATM. Ana Ivanovic played a great match, against Hantuchova 6-0!

Wilfried, replying to your comment that was posted after a delay.

You don’t have to make me read those articles. I understand every one of those things. We are talking about illegal immigration, so I’m not why you have to mix it up with US foreign policy. What’s that got to do with Mexico? Is there a war going on there? Are we responsible for creating a dangerous society there?

I don’t have a problem with immigrats, as long as they do it legally, and don’t overstay their authorized stay, regardless of what jobs they do, or however low their wages.

By the way, nobody in Europe or anywhere else owes their freedom to America (I’m assuming you mean the World Wars). If the Americans went to war, they had a deep self interest. It was a noble thing we did, no doubt. The idea behind it however was to make sure there isn’t a German controlled Europe that would eventually become a credible threat to the Americans. I’m not being patronizing, I’m being honest.

Why not thank the Russians? They paid the heaviest price, and inflicted unbelievable damage to the Germans, that altered the course of the war.

Obama’s pre-election promise on immigration, or whatever it was, did hint at some form of amnesty, although he implied it would be bipartisan. If this measure had passed the Congress, I would’ve accepted it, with the proverbial pinch of salt. Except, that’s not what happened. He abused his Presidential powers to provide a backdoor to illegals. By definition, they are illegal. Why is it so hard for you to understand? What’s even scarier is, you can now promises to a certain demographic, that cannot be achieved legally, and get votes. And they will vote. That’s really scary.

Answer this question: A legal worker today, from say China, India etc. will have to leave the country they cannot find work. There is no flexibility for them. Why is it that illegals get to stay? Why? If you can’t fix broken immigration issues for those who have followed to rules, came here well qualified, what gives you the right to make this a haven for those who came here illegally? Please explain.

To answer your question about legal workers that are send back : I absolutely agree with you on this point. It’s completely illogical and unfair to send those people back who complied with the existing rules of your country, and at some point give amnesty to those who didn’t give a damn about the rules. The same happens here in Belgium and in France, be it under different rule systems. And it is even more unfair if such a thing happens without approval of the assemblees representing the nation, a possibility that doesn’t exist here.
My point is that it’s not a sound situation either to keep thousands, lest millions of immigrants for ever in their situation of illegality. That will create in the end even more problems than giving them amnesty at some point. Not ideal, I know, but better than let the situation escalate.

[My point is that it’s not a sound situation either to keep thousands, lest millions of immigrants for ever in their situation of illegality.]

Why is it so hard to crack down on illegals and just send them back? Our police force is very capable, trust me. If they can smell a 12 year old “n*****” kid, and shoot him down within two seconds of seeing him, they can do anything.

I’ve already told you why. It’s the vote bank. 🙂