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Raonic Defeats Federer at BNP Paribas Masters

Bit of a surprise result here as Milos Raonic defeated Roger for the first time in 7 meetings at the Quarter Finals of the BNP Paribas Masters in Bercy. An impressive display from the Canadian who served fantastically well throughout to come through 7-6(5) 7-5 to book a mouthwatering semi final clash with Parisian crowd favourite Tomas Berdych. Jokes aside it was a very solid display from Raonic who didn't ever look like dropping serve and came up with some line finding bombs on the big points late in the second set when Fed applied some pressure.

Not Federer's sharpest display on the return but I don't think he can go home too disappointed, he looked flat vs. Chardy, cruised vs. Pouille and then ran into a red hot Raonic who served exceptionally well. I don't think Roger really tested him too much but that's because he didn't get enough balls in play and when he did get himself in front he let Raonic back in the breaker. The second was a similar story, 1 real chance not taken and then a sub par service game at 5-5 to hand Raonic virtual match points.

Quick Match Recap

Federer Loses Bercy 2014

Raonic won the toss and elected to serve; firing down a love hold to start things off. Roger got pegged to deuce in his opening game but held and then both players traded holds in games that lasted a matter of seconds.

At 4 games a piece Botnic had only lost 1 point behind his first serve and Roger wasn't too far behind. Aside from the break point Raonic held at 3-2 there was little else to go at and the best Roger could muster was a 30 all chance at 5 all.

The lack of return points available meant a tie break and Fed got off to perfect start with a mini break on the first point. However he lost both his service points and Raonic capitalised, not dropping another point on serve as he closed it out 7-5.

Into the second and it was a virtual mirror image of the first with both guys looking completely untroubled on serve. In fact the only real chance came at 5-4 when Roger had his first break point (set point) of the match but Raonic served his way out of it.

The sole set point was ultimately Roger's only chance to get back in the match as he played an uninspired service game to get broken before Raonic closed it out to 15.

Match Stats

M. Raonic R. Federer
Aces 21 8
Double Faults 1 1
1st Serve % 67% 62%
1st Serve Points Won 40/47 (85%) 38/43 (88%)
2nd Serve Points Won 15/23 (65%) 14/26 (54%)
Break Points Saved 1/1 (100%) 1/2 (50%)
Service Games Played 12 12
1st Return Points Won 5/43 (12%) 7/47 (15%)
2nd Return Points Won 12/26 (46%) 8/23 (35%)
Break Points Won 1/2 (50%) 0/1 (0%)
Return Games Played 12 12
Winners 45 25
Unforced Errors 21 13
Net Points Won 6 14/20
Total Service Points Won 55/70 (79%) 52/69 (75%)
Total Return Points Won 17/69 (25%) 15/70 (21%)
Total Points Won 72/139 (52%) 67/139 (48%)

Thoughts on the Match

Federer Raonic Paris 2014

Bien sûr j'aurais voulu gagner ici mais maintenant j'ai 9 journées sans match donc je peux gérer mes 2 derniers objectifs

Interesting one this as it's obviously a surprise loss but not really a tough one one to swallow. Raonic played a very solid match and Fed looked similar to the Cilic match at the US Open; a little low on energy and not at his sharpest. I can't really say Fed played badly as his stats are near perfect, it was just a classic case of neither player having many opportunities to break and a few points here and there that went the way of Raonic; who on balance deserved the win as he came up with the right shots when he needed to.

I'm guessing Fed won't be too disheartened by the loss either as his winning streak had to come to and end at some point and in terms of timing this was near perfect. It gives him ample rest for the World Tour Finals and then the Davis Cup Final that follows shortly after. Fed's played a packed schedule since the US Open and has played the maximum amount of matches in his last 2 tournaments so a rest here could be a blessing for his chances in London.

As for the Number #1 scenario I doubt Roger really gave much thought to it. It was always a case of win his matches and see what happens as it is ultimately out of his hands. Roger knows better than anyone that the press need headlines and people want something to talk about so the race for Number #1 is perfect fodder.

Next stop London for the GOAT where his first goal is to qualify from whatever group he's in. Raonic has a shot at qualifying after his win so we may get a rematch there where I fully expect normal service to resume 🙂

Review Overview

Serving
Returning
Net Play
Winner to Unforced Error Ratio
Break Point Conversion

Few points here and there making the difference. Fed not at his best on the return or his overall sharpness. Next stop London.

User Rating: 3.52 ( 6 votes)

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Huge fan of Roger Federer - I'll pretty much try and watch all his matches from Grand Slam level right down to ATP 250. When I'm not watching or tweeting about tennis I play regularly myself and use this blog to share my thoughts on Fed and tennis in general.

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204 comments

    • Great win K!! And a second silver for me!! Girls rule

      • Would rather have that the Goat ruled…

      • Hey sweet Susie, lets keep the girls ruling and lets leave the guys behind 🙂

        Hey Jon, forgot to mention. Great post. Roger did find the nr 1 important and wanted it, but like Seve and Roger have said even before Basel, it is more in Novak’s hands, so…. no worries. Roger can be world number 1 next year 🙂

        Always believe 🙂

      • Girls are on fire last few comments. Need to make it more physical I think. First comments have to be over a 1000 words. Although that being said Katyani might dominate based on some previous ones 😀

      • You bet I would dominate that Jon 🙂 🙂 🙂

      • @Jonathan- HAHAHAHAHA.

        Need to make it more physical I think. First comments have to be over a 1000 words. Although that being said Katyani might dominate based on some previous ones

      • Hey Katyani, even I could successfully avoid being ‘One hit Wonda’, so you CAN, too!

      • Thanks sweet girl 🙂 I always bel18ve it can and will happen 🙂

    • Well done Katyani – it was only a matter of time 🙂

    • Finally 🙂 Happy you got your first Katyani 🙂 🙂
      Would have been better in a happier post though lol
      Anyway no regrets for Roger. This way he doesn’t over use his body. Next: 7th WTF!

      • Hey Alex. Thanks !! Yes, I also count now 🙂 Kind of gutted right now, but somehow…. this loss doesn’t hurt too much. Whenever Roger has an easy draw now, I think he loses. And when he has an impossible draw (that does open up) he wins. So… maybe it was not meant to be. And I don’t know, Roger did fight a lot, he didn’t give up, but I did not see a “hunger” like when he played Mayer or Karlovic or even Chardy.

        And better to lose this one than WTF or DC. I would love if Roger wins DC, but he cannot do that alone, and I REALLY want him to win WTF.

    • Sid TheCookieThief

      Unf******believable! Did this just happen? 😮

  1. Hate to be first on that…looks like Katyani had it..

    • Katyani…Just sarcastic intended…No hard feelings though..

      • Didn’t want it myself, atleast not on this post, but hey…. atleast I am on the board 🙂

        The zero is gone from my name 🙂

    • Yeah, will Katyani go onto to dominate the sport or will she be a Katyani Del Potro?

      • Nah, I will keep on trying 🙂 By the way….. I miss Delpo…… and damn I miss Tipsy…..

      • Am I the ONLY one who misses Soderling 🙁

      • Hey Gaurav, I miss Soderling, I really do. I’ve been checking on news every now and again: he’s now a tournament director at Stockholm, and has been part of a team developing a new tennis ball – odd…

        He’s talked about returning, but last thing I read is that every time he practices for more than a few days, he becomes exhausted again. He obviously picked up a particular virulent strain of glandular fever (a bit like Ancic) which (presumably) stays in the body; either that, or his body just not made to fight it. So as far as I can see, it looks like he won’t return. He’s 30 now and after 3+ years out of professional tennis, it will be hard for him to come back I guess. It’s a real shame. 🙁

  2. Jonathan, Google says as “Of course I wanted to win here but now I have 9 days without games so I can manage my last 2 goals”…..As long Fed has goal clear should be happy….

    Just not his day I guess…Hope Raonic waits another 6 matches before thinking of victory…

    looks like physical fight on Murray Vs Djoker match as usual…4-4 in first set for 50 mins…

    • Yeah I just left it in French, it was a tweet by the BNP Paribas Masters account from his presser.

      Djoker too goo again, Murray was flagging at the end, all those late nights tweeting trolls like me catching up with him 😀

  3. Still…. and always very proud of the Goat. It wasn’t meant to be. Still congrats to Raonic, but I hope Birdy takes him out 🙂 Why does Roger have to meet all these ace machines?? First 33, now 22??

    No worries, we will win WTF 🙂 Anyone watching boring fest Muzza vs Nole?? I am actually roooting for Muzza 🙂

    • Raonic was serving very well and he hit is inside out forehand very well. Fed’s groundstrokes were a little short I think, whenever he made a return in play he wasn’t able to win the resulting rally.

      • Ah! This makes a lot of sense & fits with what several of us were saying that he looked a bit weary.

      • I am probably the only person on this site who was rooting for Raonic. There, I’ve admitted it! It was so tough having my 2 favourite players against each other. As much as I love Fed, in this situation I wanted Milos to win so he would have a shot at making London (and thanks to Kei he now has). Milos said that was his main goal this year.

        And I have to hope the 2 of them don’t meet in London. Their matches are way too stressful for me!

        Raonic’s coaches have said he’s still about a year away from his best tennis. Obviously he has several areas, like ROS, that need improvement. But I think that in the long run he will be a top player. But that day can come after Fed has retired – so hopefully not for some time yet.

  4. Ok so my main feeling tonight was one of sadness for tennis!!how can Fed play so well, post such clean stats and still lose? No control of the match at all! All on Milos’s serve! End of!
    Still Paris are welcome to Raonic v Tomas!! Their court, their fault!
    Fed gets rest, focuses on London which he is desperate to win, and DC which he needs Stan to rise to as can’t do it on his own! Mind you the French are in a state too!!
    Gd post Jon, yr turn for a rest now! Paris was always going to be one tourney too far!!
    Who knows, Muzza might win over Novak (altho can’t stand the jingoism already building up at Sky for the WTF) and no 1 might still be on!!

    • We were all wrong on this match eh Susie 🙁 And how right you are – can’t think of anything more lethally boring than Raonic vs Berdych so this tournament has truly lost here – that’ll teach them! Djokovic has the first set against Murray 7-5 ATM – so I don’t think a Muzza win is on the cards – he’s fit, but tiredness must play a part here surely.

    • A bit worried about Wawrinka- isn’t really capitalising on the fact that he’s a slam winner right now. Hope he gets his shit together for Davis Cup.

    • Yeah the hype prior to Murray vs Djoker on Sky is sickening. Djoker didn’t play well IMO but he was still far too good, taken the rivalry by the scruff of the neck and he’s well in front now.

  5. A bit gutted, but I think Federer was tired – I thought a few times on this and the other matches he was a tad slow. He fought well here, but credit to Raonic, solid serving (21 aces), and unlike Karlovic he has more strings to his bow, and I felt he’d improved the backhand. Inside out forehand his favourite and most lethal shot, and won him a good few points plus the slower court gave him more time. All in all there wasn’t much in it and at least Federer will have 10 days rest. A disappointment, but it was always a big ask, and like he says there’s still WTF and Davis Cup to aim for. 🙂

    • I’m not sure really that he has more game than Karlovic, Ivo has pretty good volleys and can hang from the ground quite a bit so I think they’re quite well matched. Raonic probably has a better serve though in terms of consistency and weight of ball.

      Ivo vs Rao would be an interesting one. Just check Rao leads H2H 1-0 from 2012.

  6. Despite what some say, Paris was the least important of the 3. DC and London always more important! My only dear is that the O2 courts are like Paris and that Raonic is in Feds group! Mind you that might be good as wouldn’t play him in the semis if they both for thru!

    • Totally agree- I know some people on here don’t have much thought for DC but I think it would mean a lot to Roger and his countrymen if they could finally get the one that’s gotten away all these years. Not to mention could be a push for Roger to continue pushing in the slams next season!

    • Fed will handle Raonic in London if they play I think.

  7. Not a bad loss though a bit tad disappointed but it allows Roger more days or rest and be fresh for WTF.

  8. Oops ‘fear’

  9. A little bit annoyed tbh and surprised since the courts here appear to be so slow. Didn’t think raonic’s serve was going to be too much of a factor!

    Would have obviously been nice to get that year end number one, but alas, my only consolation is that it looks murray is on his way out too 🙂

  10. To much Tennis for Roger it seems, so I’m not disappointed. Also Raonic managed to break Fed for the second time in 7 matches so I guess he deserved the win 😆 Anyway I agree, in London Roger should be back to routine-ing him.

    Would Roger have beaten Djokovic on these courts? I doubt it. Besides better to Rao than Berdflu right? 😆
    *Joke*

    • You’re right Scooter, Feds wasn’t fresh enough to beat Djokovic this time. I thought Nishi might stand a chance, but he’s locked in a long battle – already 2 1/2 hours – with Ferrer, so he’ll have nothing left either. 🙁

    • Sid TheCookieThief

      Precisely, Scooter. I couldn’t have lived with a loss to Berdych. I’d rather he lose to the cool Canadian.

      I get the feeling Roger may have tanked this match (didn’t watch it though). Roger looks clearly invested in the WTF, and Basel. With Stan hell bent on denying Roger the Davis Cup, just like he did at Monte Carlo, Roger needs to be at his best.

    • Yeah I think up until being broken Fed had held 94 or 95 service game vs Raonic!

      Fed vs Djoker on this court an interesting one, Fed would need to play a very high level match to get it done. Not going to be able to come in as often either on this court.

  11. Mixed feelings here. Not a fan of the Canadian so disappointed that Roger lost to him. On the other hand i thought this is such a boring tournament. It seems one has to hit a million balls to get a winner. And all these ace machines blah. Roger can now rest and prepare for WTF and Davis cup. Thanks for your reviews Jonathan, and to all the PT posters, cheers.

    Congrats on your win Katyani. As Jonathan would say “Good win”

    • Thanks Maxi. It really feels like I won a tour or something 🙂

    • Yeah I’m not a big fan of Bercy. The only thing that’s good is the ligthing which helps with atmosphere. They showed some 3D renders of the improvement works so looks like they’re spending big to improve the venue. Maybe it will be get better…

      • Well, it *is* 30 years old now – think it opened when I was living in France, or if not, then not long before that – so I guess it probably needs work done on it by now.

  12. Any hopes that Muzza would take out Djokovic – a vain hope really – are now gone, two straight sets to Djokovic. Actually Murray played quite well, and even broke Djokovic in second set, but Djoko promptly broke back (to love), and Murray subsided like a pricked balloon. I think Nishi will take out Ferrer so a Djoko/Nishi SF might be worth a watch, but def give the borefest a miss.

    • Murray played timid. Flattened out his forehand and won some points but then reverted back to his passive style. Game at 5-6 in the first set was very poor, handed Djoker it on a plate.

  13. 🙁

    Thought Raonic was moving better & thinking quite a bit better than I’ve seen him do before, & Roger was maybe moving & thinking just a bit… not sure if it’s worse, or just slower. Saw him get caught flat-footed several times, & I don’t mean on serves.

    You said it all really well Jonathan, & as usual the man himself is great at offering some perspective. Agree that a slump here is better than at either WTF or DC, so since he’s been playing so much, probably good that it came here.

    Was glad to see Mirka back in the stands.

    • You mean Mirka the bad lack charm? 😆 she should have stayed home.

      I think Raonic just played well, wasn’t like on another level to what we’ve seen but Fed didn’t get a chance to pose him too many questions. Raonic hit some abysmal shots mid rally but his first strike stuff was good.

  14. It was unusual to come on here and read a post that had defeat in it since the Cilic match huh? Roger has been on a streak since then but nothing good lasts forever! Tight match and it all came down to that servebot that is Raonic- people were saying he was struggling with health the last few weeks and the courts here don’t favour big servers so definitely surprising to see 21 aces bombed down but hey not much you can do there. I think a few fans will be disappointed more than anything because it seems that it’s near impossible now for Roger to get the YE ranking but I think even the fact that Roger put himself into contention should turn some frowns upside down.

    What a spectacular few weeks from Federer here and even though number 1 might not be up for grabs, it’ll be just as sweet if Roger can pull of WTF and Davis Cup. Roger’s played a tonne of tennis and winning Paris might not have been worth putting those two in jeopardy. Get some rest Fed (And you as well J) and let’s give this season the peRFect ending! Allez!

    • Nicely said Alysha 🙂

    • Yeah Year End Number #1 was just a thing that got blown out of proportion. Fed has been on tour since 98, he knows the deal that it was unlikely and wasn’t in his own hands. The race aspect just gave the ATP lots of articles and some banners for the homepage, I bet Fed hardly gave it a second thought 🙂

      • Hm, I’m not sure about that Jonathan. I think Fed would’ve definitely thought about getting the #1 ranking after winning Shanghai, not to mention decided to play Paris full knowing he had to play Basel, WTF and DC. But you’re right- it was always on Djoker’s racquet and there still may be a possibility so who knows what will happen.

  15. Hey guys, just saw Ferrer lose to Nishi. To be honest, I was kind of glad, because Nishi has a better chance than Ferru to beat Novak. But they played almost 3 hours, so I don’t think Nishi will have anything left. Fair to say that Novak already has the title??

    By the way, what it Becker’s problem? He watched during the Ferru/Nishi-match. Why? What does he want to accomplish? Doesn’t Novak already know how to beat them? Will Becker uncover some tips or something?? So weird. Go to bed dude and let Novak figure it out all on his own.

    Just want to make one point. I have liked Ferrer since the first time I saw him. But man, how can you NOT respect him?? At age 32, he fights and fights and never gives up. After Roger, I have the most respect for him.

    On one hand you have Cilic who qualified because he won a slam and who decided to “sit this one out” because he already qualified. And on the other hand you have someone like Ferrer who fights to qualify, plays extra tours and matches and still comes up short…… To me kind of unfair….

    • Sid TheCookieThief

      Katyani, Cilic didn’t make the rules. He simply followed them. He picked up a huge chunk of his points at an elite tournament, especially by winning in the later stages. He deserves to be in London. And Ferrer? Grinding, and doping, and grunting can only take you so far.

      Now, why is Becker at a Ferrer-Nishikori game a problem? Why is it weird? Hard to argue with a coach who recently helped Djokovic win a slam on what isn’t exactly considered to be his favorite surface. If Novak is so good that he can figure out everything on his own, why did he hire Becker? Why does he need two coaches? Not everyone is like Roger, who won multiple slams without a coach.

      And here’s the kicker. Nishikori has beaten Novak twice in their last three meetings, including the recent US Open, and a bagel at Basel.

      • Nishikori played two 5 setters before he met and won against Djokovic in four which suggests he could do it. But he did play for 2 3/4 hrs last night – I think they must have finished around 12.45 pm their time – that’s tough – and crappy scheduling. Djokovic will be fresh, and certainly motivated, so I think he might get his revenge this time.

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        True, slamdunk. But my comment was in response to Katyani saying that Novak knows how to bet them – Nishikori and Ferrer. No, he doesn’t. If he wins, it would be against a fatigued Nishikori, like you said.

    • @Katyani – Luthi has been pictured in the crowd at fed’s next opponents matches many times. As a coach that is their job.

      As for Nishikori – he can do a lot of damage to Djoker, I called his win at USO because his game does more damage to Djoker’s than Djoker’s does to Nishikoris. Djoker best way to win is if he grinds it out.

      • Hey Sid, Slamdunk and Jon, I respectfully disagree 🙂 I just wrote how I saw and see it. It may not be correct, but it is my opinion. I don’t think it is the job of a coach to sit in the stands and watch the opponent play a match and notice points. That is for behind closed doors. You can figure the opponent out there together with the team. Sitting on the stands and watching comes across as pathetic…… to me. And it doesn’t make a difference whether it is Seve or Becker. But again, my opinion.

        And yes, I do think it is unfair that players who won a slam and don’t win much after that or don’t want to play tours to keep them fresh should automatically qualify, just because they won a slam. If you don’t know it by know, I am very much a person of “fairness”. I don’t think it is fair to players who bust their butts off just to be in the position to qualify by playing tours they would never have played, by playing weeks after weeks, by tiring themselves out. I don’t think that that is fair. If there is one person who deserved to be qualified, then that is Ferrer. Cilic also deserves it, but not just because he won a slam.

        But again guys, I am not saying it is correct or true, it is simply…. just my opinion.

      • I think Edberg even watched an opponent earlier this year. What a pathetic loser 😆 There is nothing at all pathetic about a coach watching live tennis to learn about an opponents strengths and weaknesses, it’s part of their job. They’re not doing anything other than watching.

        As for the WTF waffle… On the basis of fairness you say Ferrer deserves to be there? Except he did exactly what you described as unfair a sentence earlier – he played lots of weak fielded events to accumulate rankings points over the year and then even played Vienna to try qualify for London 😆 so does he deserve to be there or not??

        And it’s not fair that players who win a slam get to London, but Cilic deserves to be there? 😆 What is that one based on??

      • Coach: sorry Jon, still disagree. It is the job of a coach, but doing it during an opponent’s match does not feel right to me. Like Roger said, it takes you 90 seconds to figure a opponent out while you play them. And a coach can discover someone’s strengths and weaknesses, but you are the one who has to play him. So…… lets leave it at agree to disagree 🙂

        WTF: Yes, Ferrer deserves to be there, so did Dimi, so does Andy and so does Cilic. Cilic deserves to be there, because he had an amazing year he worked hard for, not just because he won a slam.

        I am only basing this on my own opinion. It may not be right or true. Agree with it or not. If we all thought the same and had the same opinion life would be boring 🙂
        If you don’t have knowledge of tennis (like me), you tend to look at things differently 🙂

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        [It is the job of a coach, but doing it during an opponent’s match does not feel right to me]

        You know, I hate to say this but I just can’t help myself. I was looking for something really stupid to read, and you didn’t disappoint. Like they say, you are the winner of this blog today.

        You’re telling me that Roger doesn’t watch, or analyze an opponents game before the match, or remember how he played them in the past…he just like, shows up, and in 90 seconds, knows everything there is to know about an opponent?

        *double facepalm*

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        [I do think it is unfair that players who won a slam and don’t win much after that or don’t want to play tours to keep them fresh should automatically qualify]

        Katyani, your logic is flawed. Nine out of ten times, the winner of at least one slam finishes in the top 8. This year was an exception. However, Cilic is still technically No. 8, if you look at the Race to London standings, after the Paris points, and ahead of poor Ferrer.

        Even if Ferrer were slightly ahead, Cilic accumulated his points at an elite tournament, while Ferrer was sniping at crumbs at not so elite tournaments.

      • You get 2000 points for winning a Slam. That’s going to put you well on the way to qualifying for WTF on its own. So unless your slam win totally came out of nowhere, a total fluke, and you were pretty much rubbish the rest of the year (and when did *that last happen?), I really don’t see any reason for the additional rule of qualifying if you happen to have won a Slam and … whatever the rest of that is – finish in the top 20 or something? I don’t think it’s actually made any difference here, but why build up a Slam winner more than they are already?

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        Alison, there is a logical way I’ll try to answer your question, “But, why build up a Slam winner more than they are already?”

        This has been a standard across several sports. You win a certain tournament, and you get automatic qualification for some others.

        And because Slams are the *holy grail* of tennis. Four Masters 500 wins can never equal a Slam mean, outside of mathematically. Nobody will remember the four Masters 500 wins, but a Slam winner will be celebrated forever.

        No.1 seeds at tournaments get a bit of extra protection, in terms of schedules. Why not make No.1 through No.8 meet well before the quarterfinals?

        Why give wild card entries to certain top seeded players, at the cost of some unlucky player at the bottom of the seeding?

        Why allow medical time outs for a foot massage at a Slam final?

        Sports is business. There is an incentive to protect the star players, and keep the show going.

        If you’ve going to scrap that WTF rule that you don’t like, why not scrap all those things I’ve mentioned? I could go on and on with the reasons. Besides, it hasn’t made a difference at all, at least for over a decade. Poor Ferrer by the way still finishes behind Cilic.

        It’s not like the rule suddenly springs up right before the WTF. Everyone knows the rule, and will put in that extra effort to win a Slam and seal the deal. Players don’t seem to have a problem.

        So, let’s get back to arguing about this little know rule, when someone actually ends up not qualifying unfairly. Hopefully Nadal will be at the receiving end if it were to ever happen. 🙂

      • “You know, I hate to say this but I just can’t help myself. I was looking for something really stupid to read, and you didn’t disappoint.”

        I am glad Sid that stupid me and my stupid comments didn’t disappoint you…..
        You’re welcome.

  16. Sweet Roger…… in case you are reading this…. you may have lost, but atleast be proud of one thing:
    You bring the best out in your opponents. You make them play in the zone and the best match of their life.
    To beat you, they have to reach hights they cannot even imagine.
    Even if you don’t and can’t see it like this….. it is an honor 🙂

    But next time you will face them…. please put them back in their place 🙂 🙂 🙂

    • Aaah Katyani – lovely post. Agree with everything, especially your last sentence. 🙂

      • Thanks Slamdunk !! By the way, I keep scores. We still have to revenge:
        Delbonis
        Stakhovsky
        Brantz
        Gulbis
        Cilic
        Jo Willy
        Now also Raonic and
        Ofcourse the Greatest Gift to Tennis.
        I hope I am not forgetting someone else. Please let me know if I do.

        Oh and don’t you think it is amazing of the Goat that he revenged almost all his losses of last year and this year?? 🙂

      • Hey Katyana, one thing we shouldn’t forget I suppose is that Federer has beaten most these people many times, Cilic has only 1 to Feds 5 for instance, so I guess he’s got to let them have the odd one! Enough has been said about the cheater’s positive h2h, but since that and the clay triumphs are his only claim to records, Feds can afford to be gracious…

        And yes, he’s had a truly amazing year – I think it’s 66 wins/10 losses – better than anyone else on the tour – Djokovic if he wins this will be at 55/8 or something. It’s quite staggering that Federer is able to accomplish this at 33+. If he can stay fit/injury free, and now he’s truly comfortable with the racquet, what might he accomplish next year? And still WTF and DC to go… 🙂

      • Hey Slamdunk, great comment. And yes, that is life. Roger beats them and they beat Roger, etc. Believe it or not, but there will be a time when even Ferrer beats Roger. Hope that if that happens, it happens at a 250 tour 🙂
        And yes, Roger has a lot of points to defend next year, but can you imagine what he can do next year?? Wow, I cannot wait till 2015 🙂

  17. Gee Katyani, you`re on a roll today. Great comment. So many times, players say they played the match of their lives when they beat him. He`s the one players still want to beat the most. And remember it forever.

    I hope this loss is a blessing in disguise. I was noticing Roger was getting tired. Seems to have started in Basel. Then he had no practice at all on centre court in Paris. Rough way to start the tournament.

    I hope Raonic beats Berdych. Raonic is very focussed on reaching the top and is willing to work and work to get there. He lives in a big lumbering body that he has to do the best he can with.
    The reason he is a servebot is because his parents couldn`t afford court time for practice so his father was allowed use the court early in the morning with no heat and no one to rally with. They had the use of a ball machine. So Raonic hit a ton of serves in his youth.

    The sooner Djoker is out the better the chance for Roger. But, seems Novak will win the thing.
    I think WTF and Davis Cup are very important to Roger. What a bummer if Stan doesn`t do his part.

    • ‘…big lumbering body..’ he’s got the strange body shape I’ve ever seen, poor chap. He’s definitely improved since Wimbledon – obviously great serve (and now we know why), but also a lethal forehand. He’s still not great at the net, but definitely improving, and the backhand looks more stable also. Let’s not forget how close he was to taking out Nishikori at USO. He is boring, and the way he slowly ambles from one side of the court to the other between serves drives me nuts: I want to put a bomb up his ass, but you’ve got to give him credit for recognising his weaknesses and working on them. I’m sure the pasting he received at the hands of Federer at Wimbledon motivated him immensely.
      That said, if they meet again when Federer is fresher and rested, I think Federer will beat him.

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        [ I’m sure the pasting he received at the hands of Federer at Wimbledon motivated him immensely.]

        Nopes. Federer had to lose at some point. You’re giving too much credit to Raonic.

        What’s with the handshake? Roger jogs towards Raonic, gives him a typical WTA style handshake, and cursory look, and is out of there as if saying, “I’ll get you next time you overgrown bi****!”.

        Didn’t like it, not one bit.

      • You don’t agree that the last beating he received from Feds didn’t motivate him? Well I sort of think it did: his face after that match said it all. He was pissed. Possibly I am giving him too much credit, but these guys don’t stand still, even if Raonic looks that way! Federer was tired, and that affected his ability to react, no doubt of it, but I still think there has been improvement from Raonic.

        Were you saying you didn’t like Federer’s cursory handshake, or that Raonic didn’t like it?

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        Slamdunk, like they say, even a broken clock is right twice in the day. Given their history, Raonic’s win was a pure fluke. As Jonathan said, Roger held what, 94 or his previous 95 games vs Raonic? At some point, Raonic had to put one across. That’s exactly what happened.

        I was saying that I didn’t like it that Federer didn’t give Raonic a proper handshake, and perhaps, a pat on the back. Raonic has always been sporting, in all his losses. Maybe he said or did something during the match to elicit that reaction from Roger?

      • Yeah I’m with Sid. Like Fed said it was a classic indoor match where 1 or 2 points decide it. Raonic just came out on the good side. I don’t think Raonic has upped his game significantly or improved immeasurably, he nearly lost to Sock in the first round and should have. Came through and made the most of it.

        Fed is a terrible loser. Usually his losing handshakes are all quick and that’s it, especially if he feels like he didn’t put in a great showing.

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        Correct, John. It took Raonic six straight losses to get inspired? And Robredo, ten losses to get inspired? Maybe Stan needed a dozen losses to get inspired and beat Nadal? 🙂

        It was a fluke guys. At 33, Roger’s remarkable run had to end. Just glad it was Raonic, one of few I don’t mind losing to, that is, from all those that were left in the field.

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        Just found out that Raonic took out Berdych. Now, the loss hurts even less. Go on, Milos, win it all!

      • OK, I don’t disagree that Raonic a) played extremely well + high 1st serve % + 21 aces. But there have been other improvements – Peter Fleming and the other guy (with the big teeth) both said there had been improvement on the backhand (courtesy of Lubicic) and in his movement.

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        Look, as a club tennis player, I can tell you that if you lose six times to someone, there’s a *lot* of potential for improvement. Sure Raonic served well, and maybe showed a better backhand. None of it would’ve mattered if Roger weren’t experiencing the mental and physical fatigue of an unbelievable campaign. Don’t forget he spent 150 minutes vs Chardy.

        It all adds up, and at some point, he has to lose. It just happened to be Milos.

        Case closed.

      • Was it THAT bad a handshake? If I remember correctly I thought it was fairly warm. I’m pretty certain it was the Raonic match where he shook hands spoke for a few seconds, smiled, patted him on the back and moved on. Nothing off putting about it at all. At least that’s what I remember.

      • Raonic is not the player he was at Wimbledon, or when he was schooled by Roger at their AO meeting. This was a player who couldn’t foot it with Roger from the back-court, and had virtually no backhand to speak of, while possessing a forehand as blunt as a blunderbuss. How he has reversed that – and so quickly, as we saw him do more of the same in his match against Berdych, as he hit the lines time and again. Raonic now rarely misses from the back-court, and on either side. Another “regenerated” player, perhaps. Maybe that’s why Roger shakes his hand so unenthusiastically.

      • Federer is not the player he was in 2013. Or when he was schooled by Robredo at the US Open. He was a player who couldn’t handle Delbonis from the back of the court and had virtually no top spi0 backhand to speak of. How he has reversed that is anyone’s guess. Another ‘regenerated’ player perhaps 😆

      • I wouldn’t say that quite so loudly about Roger, Jonathan. Anything is impossible. Particularly at 33, it seems. On the other hand, in Roger’s defence, his recent “regeneration” only partly restores him to the player he once was, before his decline and slump of 2013. Maybe recovery from back problems, a new racquet, a new coach, and a new game plan are enough. I don’t know. (And, by the way, before the 2009 USO he had every measure of DelPo, as well as owning Robredo until last year, and last time I looked he has had a topspin backhand since he came on the tour in ’98. You don’t win 17 slams with only a slice.)

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        [ How he has reversed that is anyone’s guess]

        It’s the racquet. It has improved everything, first serve, second serve, return, forehand, backhand, volleying, and most importantly, confidence when going for a shot. Then there’s the Edberg effect, taking Roger’s aggressive game to a whole new level. The approach shot is still not the best. There is nothing I see in Roger’s game that I can relate to dope, absolutely nothing.

      • Except maybe his age, Sid. That said, I don’t think Roger is the player he was when he won 11 titles including 3 slams in a year. And that was not a “weak era”.

        (“Impossible” read “possible”. Duh.)

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        Yeah, but his style of play doesn’t require him to retrieve the ball, or put one more ball over the net. He is going and getting those points. At Shanghai, right? Against Djokovic and Simon? I mean, those were masterclasses in aggressive tennis. The surface surely helped. I’ve been watching his footwork on re-runs and on YouTube. I can’t believe what I’m seeing.

        Point is, the way he plays, age really doesn’t matter. This might surprise you. I think Roger is a better player than he was back then. It’s just that he hasn’t gotten better fast enough to keep pace with the change in surface characteristics, and racquet technology.

      • Age has got to matter to anyone in sport. Roger is playing terrifically well at 33. I would be worried if he is still at the same level at 36. Speed, stamina, and timing must eventually decline with the years. We have basically seen that in Roger since he arrived in his thirties. You give some good reasons for his recent rejuvenation. But, to me, he isn’t and can never be again the player I observed from 2004-7, when his consistency, week in and week out, was extraordinary and his best game was frequently out of this world. He had the best forehand in the game, his backhand was reliable and versatile, his all-court game was without parallel, and only Nadal could defend better. I don’t think it is technology which is changing the game – racquets and strings have been much the same now for over a decade – but something else that has lifted the base level of athleticism – and it is way ahead of those who would get rid of it.

    • Hey Sue, thanks 🙂 I would like to answer your comment with a post a very great commentator posted on Ru-an’s blog. For me it is so true and summs it all up:

      “They always play ten times better against Federer than against anyone else. If they showed half as much fight against the likes of Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray it wouldn’t be nearly as frustrating. They want that scalp on their mantle. But it’s like Muhammad Ali said: “when you can whip any man in the world, you never know peace.” They want to measure themselves against the highest standard in the game, who can blame them.”

      All these players of the top 3, top 10 or even top 20, I can “promise” you…. they will be ALL playing at age 33 or 34 or 35 (yes, even Rafa with his knees, foot, back, blisters, etc), but NONE of them will be nr 1 in the world, or nr 2 and almost nr 1 in the world, or will win more matches than the younger ones or will move like a 23 year old. NONE OF THEM.
      Andy, Rafa, Novak, will all play at Roger’s current age, but they will be lucky to be even in the top 10, let alone make the world number 1 think what the hell do I have to do to beat this guy and why on earth won’t he go away 🙂

      • Oh and Sue, I always have to remind myself after a match Roger played that he is 33.
        Because when he is playing opponents 5, 6, 10 years younger…. I always forget that he is 33, plays like a 23 year old 🙂

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        Here’s another famous Ali quote:

        “Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”

    • Sid TheCookieThief

      Now, there’s a man who never forget where he came from 🙂

      • that is the thing about Roger. One of the best things he ever said was immediately after he won the 15th slam at Wimbledon. He told Becker how he still vividly remembers when he was a nobody and played on the outside courts at Wimbledon in the early years and now he gets to play on show courts around the world and get so much support from fans. why would he ever wanna give up on it.

        No one has so much and love and respect for the sport than Roger.

      • High fives guys, Sid and WALEED, great comments.

    • Ah didn’t know Roger had ginger hair as a child 😆

  18. A bit disappointing from Roger. The Raonic serve was always going to do its damage but Roger had no real answer to the inside out forehand. Djokovic is looking good to hold onto his ranking.

    • Disappointed by Roger’s loss but then again credit to Raonic for his stellar performance. Seriously, with a serve like that, when it is on it will be difficult for anybody across the net and yesterday Raonic did not falter in that department. I remember Novak mentioned in a match against Raonic not too long ago that he had never felt so helpless when receiving (Novak won the match tho’). The shot that troubled Roger most besides his serve was Raonic’s wide shot to Roger’s backhand which he could only parry with slices or blocks which landed short more often than not (apart from one sweet backhand DTL in the 2nd or 3rd game of the first set).

      Raonic definitely will be a force to be reckoned with O2 or otherwise. Sometimes a little luck is needed to swing in Roger’s favour should they meet in London because like Jonathon said, this element was certainly present yesterday in Raonic’s favour ( Roger had a break point and was snuffed out by an ace at the next point!).

      Will be supporting you again Roger in London………….as always.

    • Yeah Feds groundstrokes were short and overall defense not great. He still served very well himself but the opportunities that he got were few and didn’t take advantage.

  19. Really sad to see him lose.Whatever you say,I still think he wanted the no 1.And he will miss that 6th no 1 for a 5th time.Really hurts as a federer fan.

    • Of course he want’s number #1 but Fed is far too wise to pin his hopes on a long shot to make or break his season.

      • Yes, and am I the only one to feel I wouldn’t be particularly comfortable with Roger getting YE No. 1 on the basis of others’ failings more than his own achievements anyway?

  20. “A surprise loss but not really a tough one to swallow ” – Yes, agreed and I’m feeling better and positive reading this post, thanks Jonathan. More surprised by Raonic’s solid play than Fed’s loss for me, though. The guy has improved a lot since Wimby, I thought. But anyway Roger really needed the time to rest before London, didn’t he? So I’m okay with this outcome. It has been already an amazing season for him and for us fedfans.

    By the way, sorry guys I was abruptly disappeared from the chat without saying good bye as I had surprise visitors, a bunch of zombies, at my door!

    • Trick of treating seems to have died a death in the UK. Parties taken over now I think seen as though the streets are less safe.

      Never been a fan of it, Americanized rubbish 🙂

  21. And congrats Katyani for the win, your positive thinking always makes me smile 🙂
    Keep at it girls!

    • Thanks sweet Wanda. I hope I don’t offend the other guys and girls here, but Wanda, you are the nicest commentator here. No matter what, you always give respect. I like that very much about you. Don’t think no one notices it. I do.

      Your positive thinking and comments also make me smile, but again…. your AVATAR is just TOO funny 🙂

      And love your nickname, sweet Wilson Wanda 🙂

      Here’s to girls ruling 🙂

      • Haha, how nice of you, thanks Katyani. I’m just old and wise enough to see things in perspective, that’s all. I may have past a sell-by date, though not THAT aged as my avatar 😉

        And I am privileged to be a magic Wilson Wanda, just being in Fed’s bag let alone making exquisite shots.

      • Maybe you two need to exchange email addresses.

  22. I read an article describing Raonic as tennis’s answer to the giant redwood trees. Fits him well, and yesterday he even caught fire! He’s just so boring to watch though that even when he plays well you don’t really notice it. I actually hate to see Roger lose to him because it just seems all wrong. Bad for tennis.

    Not an important loss though, and Roger seemed very philosophical about it. I got the feeling from his interview he’s quite happy to be out and have more time to prepare for the rest of the year. I don’t think he tanked it because it’s just not in his nature not to do his best, but he was definitely looking tired which is really not surprising after the amount of tennis he’s played recently.

    Looking forward to London now. Seems a long way away but good rest and practice time for Roger.

  23. Very disappointed with the result 🙁 but not feeling too sad. Agree with Jonathan that it is a surprise ending. Roger was bound to be tired having played so many matches since the Shanghai Master. The Chardy match really sapped Roger’s energy.
    This could be a pleasant surprise in disguise – Roger needs a rest before the WTF and DC. IMO, both are more important than the Paris Master. I agree completely with Jonathan that Roger has given us, Fed fans and tennis fans, a lot to be excited about with regard to the prospect of regaining the No 1 this early. He lost this battle/skirmish but Roger will win the war (WTF and DC)!

    • WTF definitely bigger than Paris. DC is difficult to weigh up, had a lot of attention just cos Fed is playing, usually it doesn’t get a mention until after the season is finished.

  24. Disappointing, considering his chances at snatching the No.1 ranking are quite slim now – needs to win every single match at the World Tour Finals just to have a small chance and probably hope Djokovic loses at least one match in his own round robin group. I’m sure Davis Cup finals also award rankings points too, though not sure of the amount – I’m assuming if Federer wins both his singles rubbers he gets at least a couple hundred bonus ranking points, which could ultimately be enough to overtake Djokovic.

    • Yeah out of his hands, but it always has been.

      If Fed was so fixated on number 1 – why did he only decide to play Basel last minute? Almost only played Doubles apparently 🙂

  25. Federer can gain 225 extra points if he wins both rubbers at the final. Could be deciding!

    • Sid TheCookieThief

      That’s what I thought. Unfortunately, those points will not be considered in the No.1 race for 2014.

    • Yeah it’s no big deal. I know Fed said he’d take #1 over a slam but I’m not sure about that. Fed has been number 1 for so many weeks it doesn’t really make much difference if he gets it again. Winning titles is what counts then the rankings take care of themselves.

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        Haha! No way Roger prefers No.1 over a slam, not way! That’s a blatant lie, just to get his fan base excited.

      • Yeah he just aiding people write headlines or talk about something down the pub (although more likely on WhatsApp in 2014)

      • It was more about year end No1. He would tie Pete’s 6 ye No1, but unfortunately, this loss practically ends any realistic chance of getting it. Him getting to No1 for a few more weeks wouldn’t be a big deal, but ending the year as the No1 for the sixth time would be nice. Anyways, onto the WTF 🙂 . Couldn’t care less about Davis cup personally :p

  26. Maybe he can be year end No. 1 in 2015? Not impossible.

    • Sid TheCookieThief

      Not impossible, but highly unlikely, especially with a rejuvenated…er…regenerated Doper coming back. Mathematically, Roger can still finish No.1 this year, if Djokovic wins say two RR matches, and loses in the SF at the O2. It would then be on Roger’s racquet. Who knows!

      If you think about it, the 2014 World No.1 was decided in game 9 of the fifth set at Wimbledon. It was always about the Slam. A win there would’ve nearly guaranteed Roger the year end No.1.

    • Yup exactly that, it was decided at the most important slam of the year. A fitting decider.

  27. Ah yes, wimby this year broke our hearts…Roger, artist, maybe more sensitive/fragile sometimes? Well this time vs this bomber, he was just tired. Remember all those late night matches in his schedule lately, definitely taking a toll

    • Hey Muser, Brennwald is a jealous loser, but he was right about one thing. THAT night, no one could have beaten THAT Karlovic except ROGER. Not even Andy or Rafa and especially not Novak. No way Novak would have beaten THAT Karlovic with his 33 aces. No one on this planet could have except Roger.

      Roger could have beaten Raonic with his 22 aces, but came up short and it wasn’t meant to be. Now lets see if Novak can beat THIS Raonic…..

    • Djoker crushed THIS Raonic like he was always going to. Djokers intensity too high, Fed lacked it the other day.

      • The difference in the stats though John – that ace count dropped from 21 against Feds, to 12 in 3 sets against Birdshit, down to 9 against Djokovic; Feds won 88% of his 1st and 54% of 2nd serves, Djoko 80%, and 50%. Djokovic better percentage on returns as would be expected from poss. the best returner in the game. UEs far more against Djoko and that inside out forehand he barely missed against Federer hardly hit the mark against Djokovic. GRRR….so annoying. 🙁

      • Hey Jon, Raonic lost, but he wasn’t crushed. Novak played great, but he wasn’t unbeatable. If it was Roger in the final, he could have beaten Novak, or he could have lost to Novak, but he would have made him work extremely hard for it. I saw the match and I don’t think Novak played “Novak-unbeatable”. Raonic tried, but failed.

        And like Raonic said, he played the best match of his life when he played Roger. When players say that, I don’t think they go on to win the title. Except Cilic I think.

      • He lost 6-2 6-3 (should have been 6-2 6-2) and didn’t break serve once. He was comprehensively dismissed.

        Djoker was too good in all areas and made enough returns to do the damage. I don’t think he even needed to play at top top level, was never in danger of losing. He had a tough draw in Paris and didn’t drop a set. Easily the worthy winner.

        “If it was Roger in the final, he could have beaten Novak, or he could have lost to Novak” A bold prediction 😆

        Raonic getting way too much credit too. He had an immense serving day and took out Fed at low intensity and then had Berdscat hand him victory on a plate. It was hardly tournament winning form.

  28. I think this whole World No 1 thing has been severely blown out of proportion. Which means that if you remove that out of the equation, this is not quite a heartbreaker for Roger. Paris was never his fortress in any case. But things are looking good for Federer at the WTF. Stan is hitting rock bottom, Murray is still not back to his best, Nishikori and Cilic are unlikely to reproduce the US Open magic, Botnic should come down to earth by the time the WTF rolls around which leaves just Berdych and Djokovic as RF’s only real dangers. But Berdych has the potential to lose to ANY of the other 7 at pretty random instances so he is unlikely to be a factor.

    The worst part is that what looked like a either/or situation with respect to the No 1 and Davis Cup for Roger is now turning out to be a neither for him with Stan’s form going underground and Roger losing in Paris.

    But, sport is sport and you never know what is coming your way (except a Nadal victory at the RG). Let us wait and watch. 😀

  29. Honestly I don’t think we should think too much about the No. 1 ranking. Roger has reached a point in his career where he’s just gonna burn himself out if that is his main goal. Gunning for the No. 1 position and then trying to defend it, is gonna take a level of consistency that’s unrealistic at 33 years of age. I think we should just make the most of every title he gets from now on, and if he gets another slam that would just be fantastic.

    • Let the titles come on and then ranking as result. Not to think about in any other way. – By the way – 33 of age is not old, if you got free of injures. He may have some more years in excellent form threatening everybody else in the top anytime

    • I don’t think Fed was thinking too much about #1 either. It was reachable but only with a lot of luck.

  30. Hey guys, here’s hoping Novak will win Paris, so we can kick his butt at the WTF 🙂

    At the WTF let him stay nr 1 and be beaten by the REAL world number 1 🙂 Go Roger 🙂

    • mmm, I could see some insight in this 🙂

    • Djoker is the real world number 1, he deserves it. 6 titles and a slam beats 5 titles and no slam.

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        Here’s more food for thought: –

        In the last 11 years (including 2014), the winner of Wimbledon has finished year end No.1. The exceptions were 2013, where El Doper went on a never before seen or heard of, steroid induced tear. The other was 2012, where Roger won Wimbledon, but came agonizingly short at the WTF. During that time, only once (2013) has a player won a Clay slam, and finished the year end No.1 without winning Wimbledon.

        It’s simple. If you are good enough to win Wimbledon, you are playing better tennis than anyone else. That makes Wimbledon the toughest, and most important slam of the year.

      • “Djoker is the real world number 1, he deserves it.” No.

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        ^^^ Mmmmmmmmmk!

  31. If you look back to the whole year, Roger could have gained way more points. How he lost in Brisbane baffles me. I also think he should have won MC. That would have been another 400 points. And then there is Wimbledon. But we can’t go back and redo the past.
    I never would have thought that a discussion about him finishing year end #1 would have been possible one year ago. Last year we were just happy he made it into the WTFs. So, I need to be happy with that.
    Can`t see Raonic winning tomorrow but you never know.

    • Brisbane was the first tournament Rog played with the new racquet. If you remember he shanked quite a few balls – many of them forehands – and I had a sneaky feeling that he didn’t want to go all out and really wanted his long-time mate Leyton win a tournament in his home country. It’s taken him ’til now really to become truly comfortable the way he was with the old one. I seem to remember that Djokovic changed his racquet in 2010 – took him most of the year also, then 2011 followed! Wimbledon was gut-wrenching….aaah, so close. Like you said, no good looking back. He’s had a fantastic year and given us many magical RF moments.

    • Djoker switched from Wilson to Head in 2009 which was a sponsor change.

      And he changed model of his racquet in 2011 where he went on a huge winning streak ended by Fed at FO.

  32. Well first a fatigued Murray playing his 23rd match in 37 days and then a barely mobile Nishikori (what is it 3 matches in 4 days? This dude REALLY needs to work on his fitness. The attitude is there, the fitness just isn’t). Novak’s really got the best out of a tough draw. And who wants to put money on Raonic not finding his first serve tonight.

    • Yeah it was a bit surprising that Nishikori was so tired, but I don’t think he actually finished that Ferrer match until about 12.45 pm their time, so he had probably only about 15/16 hours recovery after that gruelling 2 3/4 hour match with Ferrer. He was having trouble with his back after USO – seems to be a major problem with him (same at Madrid also) – so I wonder if that’s still playing up?

    • Interesting that Nishikori showed no such signs of fatigue after playing a succession of gruelling five-setters in the USO. Now best of three is too tough for him – again. Really?

    • Good call on Raonic not finding his serve. Djoker cruised home.

  33. Sid TheCookieThief

    Alright folks, the No.1 party is over. Novak has to win just one RR game at London. And no, I don’t want to read any comments like, well, great, now we will beat the No.1 and win the WTF. 🙂

    • Yeah…you ARE a party pooper Sid; pessimism/cynicism/realism – it’s pretty depressing. 🙁 I’m a newbie on this site (which I like very much Jonathan BTW), and I’m glad I wasn’t around last year when our guy was really struggling, otherwise I suspect I might have wanted to slit my wrists!

      Djoko certainly deserves No.1 with slam and six titles, no question, but there’s no harm in an optimistic outlook – it’s what’s kept Federer right up there. 🙂

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        Oh, poor Slamdunk, and Sue, I’m sorry you have to put the cork back on the champagne 😉

        But let’s get real. I want Roger to win the WTF. Of course I do, are you kidding? But let’s not try to score these moral victories like, “we will beat the No.1 on the way.”. We are coming across as well rounded glory hunters. That’s all I’m saying.

        It’s not going to be easy. Playing a RR match, without the threat of immediate elimination, will actually make these so called rising stars play much better. That’s why I’ve always put WTF wins on par with Slams, regardless of what Nadaltards have to say.

        And all this hype about No.1 is a bunch of horse dough. Thankfully, there won’t be any more talk of that nonsense until next season. That is unless Djokovic magically disappears from the O2.

        Oh…look at your frowny faces. Are you gonna cry? *just kidding*

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        And Slamdunk, on a serious not, and just to set the record straight…

        Last year, when Roger was mightily struggling, nobody was being cynical, at least not me. Matter of fact, at the start of the season, I predicted, with utter conviction, that Roger will have a bad 2013, and that a racquet switch is mandatory for him to have a great 2014. That’s exactly how it panned out.

        If Roger stays healthy, he will be a top favorite on non-grass slams too next season. I’ll stress on what someone has already stated, and something I said earlier this season. Roger is only just beginning to wield his new racquet, and it will keep getting better…so long as he stays healthy.

        Optimistic enough? Don’t slit those wrists just yet 😉

    • Fair enough Sid, happy to go with that – seems like you have a nice shiny crystal ball in front of you. 😉 I’m not completely unrealistic, and although hopeful, I always thought y/e No.1 was a big ask; after all Djokovic was hardly going to roll over and say it’s all yours Roger. I an however always optimistic and so far in my life, it’s worked pretty well, so no real likelihood of slit wrists! I’m liking the optimistic last sentence from you Sid – fingers crossed. 🙂 See, no frowny faces, although I will put the cork back in the champagne: believe it or not, I was given a very nice bottle – now I will have to save it.

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        Nah! I was just watching Roger play and making my predictions based off that. Katyani is the one who has a shiny crystal ball 🙂

    • Oke Sid, I assume this was a dig at my earlier too optimistic comment, so let me reply 🙂
      The reason we are ALL here and STILL here is like I said many times before, because Roger believed in himself and was optimistic. He never gave up, so did some of his fans. When other fans were saying he would retire after USO 2015 or even after USO 2014, some of us were optimistic because Roger also was. He may not end world nr 1 in 2014, but who says he cannot end world nr 1 in 2015? Who said he cannot be world nr 1 in Jan or Feb next year?? It can happen. Roger could go for it. He is still optimistic about winning slams, so are his fans who are not glory hunters.

      And I don’t think Novak will lose any of his early matches at the WTF. But he might lose his SF or Final. So could Roger. The 7 others are all players who have beaten Roger. And who says that Roger cannot defeat Novak at the WTF?? He is right now the ONLY one who can defeat Novak.

      If some of us are too optimistic, then let us 🙂 When our hopes are crushed, you can always say I told you so 🙂 Now that Roger has no stress about becoming world nr 1, who knows, he might play freely and beat Novak in the final. Who knows 🙂

    • Well actually no.. Djokovic’s points include 150 points from last year’s Davis Cup Final. Now if Roger were to win the Davis Cup this year and get the 225 points then Djokovic actually needs 3 group stage wins or has to reach the final with a loss to ensure he is number 1.On the other hand if Roger even loses a single match in the World
      Tour Finals his bid is basically over. But if the ATP decides to officially end the race at the WTF itself then yeah Djokovic needs only one win. On the other hand Federer could still end up finishing the year number 1 even if ATP decides that, since the ranking is still a rolling 1 year system.

      • But Ajay, that is actually what I am also saying…. in different words.
        Roger and Seve told even before Basel that they were going to try for world nr 1, BUT that it depends on Novak. Roger is not dumb enough to think that Novak would lose early at Paris or at WTF. Now that Novak won Paris, Roger might think that world nr 1 is completely out of his reach. Which means that he might play freely and he might win WTF. Of course Novak will be there in the final on the other side of the net….or he might lose his SF or Final.

        What I am saying is that now that both of them have no stress about ending world nr 1, they both could play with a different mindset. Roger could lose some of his matches or he could win all of his matches. Same goes for Novak.

        Besides I truely believe that if Roger won’t be world nr 1 this year, he will be in 2015. I am staying optimistic, even if that seems to be a crime !!! It is the least I can do for Roger, to believe in him, after all the great things he has given us this year !!!

  34. Nishikori seems to be injury prone. Perhaps that will be a problem his whole career. Of course, Raonic played a bad match with errors galore. Why is it that everyone plays so well against Roger?

    You’re such a party pooper, Sid.

    • Raonic was poor. Djoker comprehensively beat him.

    • Just went to the store for more kleenex. Crushing blows from Sid. lol.

      Anyone going to the WTF? Would love to hear all about it!

      • Sid TheCookieThief

        LOL Are those the one with the RF logo on them?

      • Anyone know if WTF will be on UK TV at all?

      • Rita, afternoon matches (and final) should be on the BBC, to judge by previous years. Fed’s tended to get afternoons quite a lot in the last couple of years: can’t decide whether the Beeb has some say in the scheduling, or whether it’s the promoters trying to sell tickets for the afternoons.

        And I still can’t decide whether to go or not. I have a Viagogo gift card which I haven’t used – if it’s still valid – so might go. Otherwise, I might just mosey on down there and watch the players practising at least. At the mo, I’m waiting for some idea of the scheduling because I really want to avoid Raonic – and would prefer not to have to sit through another Murray/Djokovic. One was enough, thank you.

    • Hey Sue, I loved the match of Nishi against Ferrer. They both were fighting as hell. There were times when I thought Nishi would faint because he was so tired, but he still fought as hell. It is such a shame that there has to be a winner in such a match. Ferru was unbelievable. He did not give up. But in the end Nishi just went up a gear. I love such matches, To be honest, it was one of the best matches I have seen this year. It was even better than the Cincy Final. I was rooting for both Ferrer and Nishi….

      I hope Nishi can stay injuryfree. He playes great tennis. And Raonic is improving….

  35. Rita, I’m pretty certain it is on Sky – probably Sky 3 if that’s any help. Starts next weekend, so look on Saturday morning.

    • Hey Slamdunk, the commies on Sky already promised us that they will keep us up to date about Andy’s matches…. Hope they remember that there are 7 other players as well 🙂

      • Jeesus…I nearly threw something at the TV several times this last week…Murray, Murray, Murray, blah, blah, blah….aaaargh! It’s driving me absolutely nuts! My partner loves it as my reaction gives him a good laugh 🙁
        I’ve got nothing against him – apart from his boring tennis 🙂 and don’t wish him ill, but I almost hope for him to be out early in tournaments, so they will shut up about him!
        All I care about is that Federer will be feeling fit and fresh. 🙂

    • Hope it’s on BBC too – or Swiss TV. I don’t get Sky 🙁

      • Sunday 9 November
        Day session: 14:00-17:00 BBC Two

        Monday 10 November
        Day session: 14:00-17:00 BBC Two

        Tuesday 11 November
        Day session: 14:00-17:00 BBC Two

        Wednesday 12 November
        Day session: 14:00-17:00 BBC Two

        Thursday 13 November
        Day session: 14:00-17:00 BBC Two

        Friday 14 November
        Day session: 14:00-17:00 BBC Two

        Saturday 15 November
        Day session: 14:00-17:00 BBC Two

        Sunday 16 November
        Final: 18:00-19:00 BBC Two and 19:00-21:00 BBC Three

  36. Hi Guys,

    I know its off the topic and bit late but I FINALLY MET Roger Federer…………….

    I went to Basel and boy oh boy, Roger is damn nice guy to even have time for his fan after his final.

    Oh man, feel so lucky to not only saw him win Basel but to meet his was dream came true.

    Would like to share the whole experience if Jonathan allow me 🙂

    • Sid TheCookieThief

      Yeah well, good luck trying to convince Jonathan to let you write a post. He is too greedy. Wants to write all the Roger posts himself. 🙂 But yes, in the unlikely event even he allows it, we would love to hear it from you.

      • LOL Sid, anyway I m not going to write the usual stuff about his game as everyone knows how good he is on court but what I m interested in is the whole experience which was totally unexpected…. It was big deal for me…. 🙂

      • It is not greed, it’s just the simple fact I am the best writer on the planet that I can’t post anyone else’s content as it will devalue my blog significantly.

        I once let some guy called Gaurav write a post about The Weak Era argument and it went down very badly. People were threatening to never read a post on here again it was so bad.

        Sounds cool, email me it over Phantom to info@perfect-tennis.co.uk I will post it 🙂

        If you have any pics include them too.

    • Oh yes, would love to hear all about it 🙂

    • Hey Phantom – how lucky are you! I’ve seen him play live, but never got to meet him. I’d like to read about your experience – Jonathan did let a fan write something not so long ago – surely he’d let you write a short piece? 🙂

    • Yes please Phantom! Jonathan has posted quite a few of these – as he noted he’s set up a whole category for it – & they’re always such a treat to read. Would love to hear about the whole experience!

  37. That’d be great, Phantom. Katyani, as Roger once said, it’s a shame there has to be a loser sometimes.

  38. http://www.rogerfedererfans.com/forum/topic/2042-will-novak-djokovic-or-roger-federer-end-2014-as-year-end-atp-world-no-1/

    If anyone wants a detailed explanation as to whether Roger has any chance to end the year number 1 here it is. Excellent piece.

  39. You guys see the draw?

    Really interesting stuff. Roger probably got the short end of the stick, although I am happy he avoided Berdych. Cilic is a hot n cold at the mo, so you never know what’s going on with him.

    I think Fed’s got the consistent performers in his draw. Raonic shouldn’t beat him again. But Nishikori seems to play well against Roger, and Murray is of course in form albeit through smaller tournaments.

    My view is that this one will go to general view, i.e that Djokovic will blitz his group, and Fed and Murray will be top 2 in that order in theirs. The interesting question is who goes through apart from Djokovic. Gonna pick Berdych as the most solid performer of the three, with Wawrinka preoccupied and Cilic recovering from injury.

  40. I’ve seen the draw John but to my mind it makes little difference as it all depends in the end to how they play on the day (sorry, stating the bleeding obvious). I don’t think Raonic will repeat even though I feel he *has* improved since Wimbledon. Kei not that convincing in Paris to my mind and my feeling is he’s still somewhat troubled with back issue. Murray has looked better, but still not where he was at before and Feds had got his immense experience and success at WTF on his side.
    Never know with Stan; he actually did well last year and if memory serves, was close to taking Nadal out in the SF. Depending on where his mind is at, he could well trouble Djokovic, but he’s not shown that spark of late, so big question mark there.
    Here’s hoping Feds gets a good rest this week and is feeling fit and fresh at start of tournament. Allez Roger!

    • It would be nice if Stan would play himself into a bit of form prior to DC.

      When does the actual schedule come out? I’m still hesitating over buying a ticket, and even more so now I know that Raonic is in Fed’s half and Andy and Novak are in the other – I really don’t want to see any of those 3, at least unless Fed’s playing Raonic, which might make it bearable, and Andy and Novak *aren’t* playing each other.

      • Actually Murray is in Fed’s half; Djokovic has got Wawrinka, Cilic and Berdych. I don’t think the schedule comes out until Friday, but not sure. I bought tickets for 2 days last time to be sure of seeing the champ, but it’s too expensive for me really; I live some way from London, no friends who live there now so the whole cost is a bit prohibitive.
        Good luck anyway Alison 🙂

      • PS: I’ve just looked on viagogo site and according to that they’ve got Feds vs Raonic on Sunday 9th but no indication whether early afternoon or evening – my guess it would be evening. Strange because there’s nothing on the main site, only that singles matches are 2pm and 8pm.

    • Schedule is out. Fed vs Raonic is Monday evening. World Tour Finals has a dedicated site, it updates more often than the ATP one.

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