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Hurkacz Halts Flat Federer to Make Wimbledon Semi Finals

The 14th seed dominated Federer to come through 6-3, 7-6(4), 6-0 in 1 hour and 48 minutes.

Hubert Hurkacz is through to his maiden Grand Slam semi-final after comprehensively beating Roger Federer 6-3, 7-6(4), 6-0.

The Pole put in a high-quality performance, making just twelve unforced errors over three sets, handing Federer his first-ever bagel at Wimbledon and first at a Grand Slam since the 2008 French Open final.

While never able to leave his mark on the match, the Swiss will rue the second set tie break where he had his chances but could not find 

Quick Match Recap

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Federer won the toss and elected to receive. Hurkacz was forced to deuce in his opening game but held for a 1-0 lead.

Federer kicked his account off with a hold to love before a more comfortable hold put the Pole up 2-1.

In the fourth game, two sloppy forehand errors allowed Hurkacz to set up 0-40, but Federer found his serve + forehand combo to escape the game.

More solid serving from Hurkacz moved him 3-2 in front, and he soon found himself up a break, aided by Federer leaving a wind-affected ball that dropped 3 feet inside the baseline at 15-15.

Hurkacz then held to fifteen to consolidate the break, and he was soon serving for the first set after Federer held for 3-5.

Despite dropping the opening point, a calm looking Hurkacz won the next four points to win the opening set, winning 94% of points behind his impressive first serve. 

Federer, however, was not as strong, only winning 40% of points behind his second serve, which proved the difference. 

The Swiss kicked off the second set with a hold to fifteen and soon found himself up 0-40 as Hurkacz struggled with the wind. The 14th seed saved the first two but fired down a double fault to drop serve.

Consolidating the break was of utmost importance for Federer, but he gave Hurkacz numerous chances to break back, facing three breakpoints, but he found some steel to hang on for 3-0.

An exchange of holds took the scoreboard to 4-1, but in the seventh game, an edgy looking Federer dropped serve to fifteen to let Hurkacz back into the set.

Hurkacz then held to level at 4-4, but an impressive love hold from Federer stopped the rot to put himself ahead again at 5-4.

Federer fashioned a window of opportunity at 30-30 in the next game, but Hurkacz found his serve when he needed it to level at 5-5.

The set resulted in a tie break, and it was Hurkacz who moved up an immediate mini-break, finding the pass by guessing correctly off a Federer drive volley.

Hurkacz's lead was short-lived as Federer recovered it immediately and would have gone up a mini-break of his own if it wasn't for some impressive volleying from the Pole.

A missed drive volley then gave Hurkacz another mini-break, and despite losing a near-certain point when his back foot slipped at the net, Federer again recovered it for 3-4.

However, a Federer error allowed Hurkacz to move in front yet again, and this time he took advantage, winning his next two service points to take the tie break 7-4.

Into the third and after holding for 1-0, Hurkacz maintained his consistency, breaking immediately for 2-0.

That was soon a double break for 4-0, and although Federer fashioned a breakpoint to recover one of them, Hurkacz held for 5-0 then handed the Swiss his first-ever bagel at SW19.

Match Stats

  Roger Federer Hubert Hurkacz
Aces 5 10
Double Faults 3 3
First Serve % In 60/93 (65%) 52/88 (59%)
Win % On 1st Serve 40/60 (67%) 41/52 (79%)
Win % On 2nd Serve 11/33 (33%) 20/36 (56%)
Net Points Won 30/43 (70%) 15/23 (65%)
Break Points Won 1/4 (25%) 5/15 (33%)
Receiving Points Won 27/88 (31%) 42/93 (45%)
Winners 34 36
Unforced Errors 31 12
Total Points Won 78 103
Distance Covered 3677.2m 3781.5m
Distance Covered/pt. 20.3m 20.9m

Highlights

Thoughts on the Match

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Well, it was tough, you know. The last few games obviously as you can feel that you're not coming back from it. I'm not used to that kind of situation obviously very much, especially not here. As you said, the crowds were amazing. Yeah, the ovation is fantastic. Look, I love it. That's why I play. That's why I still play now. So it's nice to see a hundred per cent crowd today. Unfortunately, they witnessed a straight-set defeat of mine. Overall still, look, I'm super grateful for all the support I've gotten here over the years. Today again was special. You can see they're happy to be out, watching tennis, trying to get the players, the best out of them. Hubert played great. It was a tough end, of course. Federer on his loss to Hurkacz

Not a pleasant match to watch here if you're a Federer fan, as it was a dominant performance from Hurkacz, who was better in just about every area.

The Polish 14th seed looked the shakier of the two in the opening stages, but Federer did not take advantage, and once Hurkacz settled, he never let his level drop.

On the other hand, Federer was not moving well to his forehand and combined with Hurkacz outfoxing him in all areas, his mind was fully overloaded, which meant he could never swing freely from the baseline.

To me, he seemed preoccupied with something, and it was like he had to think about every single element of his game – the footwork, the serving, the returning, his conditioning. It all looked to be a struggle out there, and to face 15 breakpoints shows how little freedom he had in his service games.

As for Hurkacz, he played a great match; I was impressed with how well he got around the court. He's not the type of player that takes small precise steps, but he covers a lot of ground, has great reach, a deft touch and isn't just a guy who bashes from the baseline as he won several of the cat and mouse type points.

He was also very calm, which meant Federer could never draw any positives in how he was playing. Nothing he did unsettled Hurkacz, so every time he looked down the other end, he saw a guy who was quietly going about his business and was never flustered.

Onto Wimbledon as a whole, and if you'd told me after Halle that Federer would make the quarter-finals, I'd have taken it.

I think he showed glimpses of playing well during the last ten days, but we also saw some shortcomings in his movement. Whether or not he can ever feel confident in his physical ability is the big question, but with half the season still left to play, it's still an open one.

I definitely need to be a better player if I want to be more competitive at the highest of levels. I knew that coming in. Better players remind you of that, like Hurkacz and Felix did, for instance, in Halle. It gets tough when things get really tricky physically. I mean, I thought I had a decent chance going into the match.

I felt like if I can protect my serve, I would get chances off his second serve and I would get into the rallies I would like, have them go rather my way. But I struggled early on in that first set. I felt like with my serve my rhythm was a little bit off. Put myself in too many difficult situations and didn't take my own chances.

I think that first set, I feel like I need to do better. Okay, credit to him for getting that one done. Second set I got to find a way to win it somehow. Obviously being up a break, was it 4-1, I got to find a way to win that. The breaker was a brutal first six points of the breaker to go down 4-2 and change ends and go against the wind. I knew that wasn't going to be great for me.

Then being down two sets to love, with his momentum and swinging his way, things got complicated. Look, he was the better player by far at the end, so he deserved the victory today. Roger Federer

Final Thoughts

  • Didn't move well
  • Forehand leaked way too many unforced errors (17 in total)
  • Won just 33% behind his second serve

What did you guys think of the loss to Hurkacz? Let me know in the comments.

Jonathan

Huge fan of Roger Federer. I watch all his matches from Grand Slam level right down to ATP 250. When I'm not watching or writing about tennis I play regularly myself and have a keen interest in tactics, equipment and technicalties of the sport.

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144 Comments

  1. I was upset, he was not moving well (maybe knee problems?) and seemed tired on the third set. I think now we have to apreciate every game, because it can be the last.

  2. You said it all. Can Hubi win it? Certainly has the grass court game
    Fed in the QF was a bonus after Halle so I’ve no complaints except the bagel wasn’t pleasant.
    I suspect he hit a wall physically tbh
    Hard courts awaits

  3. I knew he wasn’t in good shape since the first games, probably no energy left in the tank. Even if he had won this one, he was done for the rest of the tournament.
    I guess this is the end.

  4. Hard to say what happened there. Yes, he did seem preoccupied. My guess is his body is the issue..knee? How can you concentrate and play freely when something is not right and any moment could be disastrous. But as usual, he will probably not tell the full story until months later.
    May the tennis gods shine down on Shapo!

    1. I don’t think the knee is a problem as in pain etc, but it has to be mental / hesitancy.

      “But in the end, I realised that something was still missing. The wind certainly played a small role today. The footwork should have been better in these conditions. I can’t yet move as well as I would like to.”

  5. In the presser afterwards, he sounded deflated and said he was horribly exhausted. Sounds like he hit the limits and now he has to figure out if he can keep this up.

  6. I feel so bad and very, very sad for Federer today, I’ve been watching him since his first match against Pete Sampras and never missed one. I probably think that he is gone take his retirement soon and that will be a good idea because my heart cannot handle anymore. But it won’t be the same without him, such a gentleman, well behaved, and wonderful person. Tennis will not be the same anymore, but this is it……..
    Thank you Federer for all the lovely time that you gave us all these years, we will be missing you. We love you and you do know that !
    God bless you and your family. 🙏❤️

    1. Thanks dear Nina. You have penned my sentiments. I have also followed him and have been a staunch supporter of Roger with my daughter. We cannot digest this. We were expecting him to loose somewhere and definitely not expecting him to win this Wimbledon. We felt bad and annoyed with the way he lost. After breaking HH in the second set , he should have won it. Who knows , things would have changed in Roger’s favour. But that hypothetical thing did not happen. I didn’t watch the 3rd set at all . I was upset ( my daughter is in Munich and was not with me). I did not sleep (India) the whole night. I was disturbed.
      Yes, the day on which Rogers hangs his shoes is not far away. Things will not be same after his retirement. He was one player, who would play the tennis in way it has to be played. I think I will stop watching tennis. I just can’t think of these tournaments without Roger. How will I get over this fever, hangover and nervousness? Could somebody help me to come out of this trauma and lead a normal life.
      We would scream and shout To support. We would say ‘ come on’ from our drawing room. How will we do all these and how will we enjoy tennis hereafter.
      Thanks Roger. Thank you so much for entertaining us and millions more all over the world. We will only wish you the best of health and peace. We wish the same to your family members. I am 70 and I may not see one of your children playing and winnig an ATP atleast in my life time.
      May be we will see you in some other capacity. We miss you Roger. We love you. Stay blessed.
      Jonathan please help me to get over this sadness.

  7. Poor Roger. Missing forehands his girls would probably make. He kept his word in that he didn’t let his body language become negative but I’ve no doubt that he was feeling just as if not more despondent than he was against FAA, especially in the latter part of the second set and the third set. I mean, imagine being him, wanting to hit that forehand like he used to (in 2017-2019 at least if not 2003-10), and not being able to because “the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak”.

    I don’t think he’ll take this loss hard. (Premature obituaries must already be being written and published, though.) What I do think is that he needs to play tournaments, as many as he can. That’ll give him the “information” he’s seeking about his knee but, more importantly, it’ll give him information about the problems that are plaguing his game. Is he missing those forehands because he’s still worried about his knee? Or is it because he’s played so few matches? Or because he’s just not got the reflexes any longer? It’s easier said than done (because he wants those knees to last him a lifetime) and the logic might seem circular – to play hard and find out if the knee can take it but risk injuring it or to take easy, never risk the knee and so never quite get match-fit? – but I don’t see another way. As I see it, he needs to play at least 15 matches (10 at low-to-medium risk and another 5 at medium-to-high risk) to be able to tell, with at least some degree of certainty, what the matter really is with his game.

    Which is why I think he should stop focussing on the majors (this US Open and possibly even next year’s AO) and focus instead on the 500s and Masters tournaments. With his ranking falling, he’s likely to meet seeded players earlier, which is precisely what he needs to do to get the “information” he really needs. Also, Bof3 on HCs, though not easy on the knee, get played quickly – which is another advantage. Good luck to the Fed, the most pleasing racquet-player and greatest “in-match” player in the game’s history.

    P.S: Like Federer’s said himself, Sampras began this “post-wooden-racquet-era” focus on the slams . The Federer’s success and his rivarly with Nadal made them that much more prestigious. And now the Djoker’s fixation about them has made every other tournament in tennis seem “second-class”, almost not worth winning. Which is really very unfortunate, not simply because every tournament is a chance for good tennis to be played but also because every “young player” is put under pressure to “win a slam” and to feel like an underachiever if they don’t.

    1. Thanks MKA. A nice positive analyze to take away the easy flattening down and tendency to giving up. It may not be the end yet. His technique is there still. The physical condition seems to be the challenge now.

  8. Just watched the Fed interview.
    He sounded so flat.Understanadably.
    That bloody draw.The wind and a big server,and another in the next round.
    Joker with a powder puff.
    Oh well.A great effort .Well done Rog.😊

  9. Thanks for this in spite of flatness. I haven’t followed, except a bit on live score. The highlights show anyway some very nice points flying from his racket, thanks for those. We’ll see what happens during season, if a still stronger comeback can make us happy once more. Some did’nt think he would make it this far, breaking some records doing it, so…

  10. My immediate feeling after the 2019 final loss was – “he should retire now”. I was never sure whether it would be possible for him to get over that defeat. As a fan, I could not do this… He did win in the atp finals group stage against Nole, but that’s only a pinch after a huge blow. I didn’t want him to lose to that man again in the final. We have seen three of them. I thought it’s better to lose earlier. But oh!! Not in this way… Straight set loss with a bagel in the last…. At the court where he has achieved so much. Still, let it be it a tragic finish… I don’t think he is a grand slam contender anymore. Retire Roger! We don’t want you to be Jimmy Connors number 2.

  11. I still cannot believe what I watch never see he lose match in wimbledon like this need to wait tomorrow roger should tell what he will do next

  12. The worst Roger Federer I have ever seen. I wish I could unsee that atrocity of a match. No words. I hope he recovers and play more tune up events. This was just a wrong approach to Wimbledon.

  13. I thought Fed was really calm in the presser.

    “You can’t climb the whole mountain at once”.

    He is putting the whole thing in the category of rehabilitation and a comeback that is still a work in progress.

    We see a bagel as his last hurrah on center court.

    He sees 2 knee surgeries and 8 matches before coming into Wimbledon and making the quarter-finals.

    We see the end of the road.

    Roger sees a mountain climb that’s still in the ascendancy.

    I like the way he sees it better.

    1. Thanks, Albert Turner. The way he sees it should be the way for him. And also for me better to like that, than the oh, so ready – has been many times – pessimism on his behalf.

    2. Me too, I don’t think he sounded despondent or too down about it. Looks like he has a good idea of what is possible, just whether he can get there.

  14. Well,Fed has nothing to prove.A great champion.
    Let’s just value what we have seen so far.😊
    The Berretini v Hurkatz match should be good.
    Let’s hope Shapavalov can give the Djoker a game.Incidentally he wasn’t great today either but playing a rubbish opponent 😡

  15. I said after the last match he’d need to up his game to win the quarters and unfortunately he couldn’t do that.

    It’s hard to tell if this is as good as he gets, because he’s nearly 40, or if there is still improvement to be made. If it’s the former then it’s time to think about retiring unless he’s happy going out in the early rounds of tournaments. I think that he can get a bit fitter and better if he has the drive to do it – but it still won’t be enough to win a Slam or Masters 1000 tournament – there’s just too many younger and fitter guys about.

    It’s an achievement in so many ways for him to get that far at Wimbledon – the draw opened up a bit and you then thought he could maybe get to the final with a bit of luck and continuous improvement as he got games under his belt. But reality kicked in, and the sun set on his campaign in fairly brutal fashion. He tanked the final set which is some ways is a bit disappointing but hey, he’s earned the right to finish a match how he wants.

    1. I think he can definitely play better, it’s just if he can get that clarity of thought back where he’s not thinking about way too many things to play coherently.

  16. Fed’s Championship winning days are over. Reality is hard to accept. The last decade’s performance shows that he was a great player who just couldn’t cope with Nadal’s brilliance nor Novak’s excellence.

    1. He is almost 10 years older than this guys, and the courts are much slower now than they were, give a break

  17. I don’t think he played poorly in the 2nd set apart from that customary lapse when he got broken. In the tiebreaker he was unlucky to fall, he should have won the first point too but weirdly kept on hitting directly towards Hurcarcz. THen in the 3rd sadly he gave up. So yes one can say he can’t make a forehand or backhand, but he wasn’t really trying that hard. It’s a pride thing too, if you know you’re going to lose anyway, why fight your hardest and lose anyway?

    Olympics are not too far away and I hope he gets a few hardcourt tournaments in there. He will sharpen his game and fitness with more math play. Just can’t compare this Federer to 2019 / 2017 let alone 2007. And his opponents know that, if they are competent.

    Definitely should be happy he made the QF, and I think he could have made the SF with more focus but his opponent was too good today and deserved it.

    I was much more gutted when he lost in 5 sets to Anderson in 2018 despite being up 2 sets to love.

    Who can realistically beat Djokovic? At least he’s had a pure comic draw up to this point.

    1. I agree with your assessment that his loss to Anderson in 2018 was more gutting. Yesterday’s loss is a disappointing loss but that’s all there is to it. Surely it’s better for him to go out now than have a 2019 final repeat with a less competitive scoreline? 2019 final was a great shame, whereas this doesn’t really compare.

  18. The pleasure of winning can be found through the joy of competing, which I hope Mr. Federer can rediscover soon. As a fan, I hope to see him out there still playing, playing to compete and not just to win, but he is his own man and he knows his body more than anyone.

    Still, as Rolex puts it, there are certain things that numbers can’t convey. His greatness indeed is perpetual.

      1. Mr. Djokovic for a time, after getting injured, was getting hammered as well, but he persevered and kept on competing. He remained guided by his dream to be the best that he can be, and now he is the new yardstick of greatness. I am no expert but Mr. Federer, for his age, still can offer anyone stiff competition. He is still a grand slam caliber player, in spite of his losses. I really hope he can rediscover that desire, but his greatness is beyond any number indeed, and I am so thankful to have witnessed that.

      2. @JOSE ROEL …
        At the time of Djokovic’s injury and following pause and then a time of being hammered, he was 30-31 years old. What’s to compare with Fed’s current conditions?
        And something for speculation experts – how many slam titles would miss Federer and Nadal, should Novak’s elbow injury never happened?
        That’s what is worth the thinking like “what if”, “we’ll see” and the like. They create big arguments valid only for the autor.

  19. I just hope this wasn’t his last Wimbledon. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is. It hurts watching Roger not play like Roger. I’m very sad.

  20. In a way, the match reminded me of the McEnroe v Curren Wimbledon QF match way back in 1985. Mac was totally overpowered and it felt like a major turning point for the reigning Wimbledon champions career. The all-conquering genius and magic was somehow gone. (He was only 26 at the time)! I watched the first two sets of Fed v Hurcarcz last night and had to switch it off. Apart from being aired very late here in Australia, and me needing sleep, Fed looked frustrated and somehow resigned. It’s like I didn’t recognise the player anymore. I went to bed hoping for a miracle, but new deep in my heart that when I woke up and read the news-it was going to be bad. Still, you can’t expect much after two knee surgeries and hardly any match time…and edging close to forty. On the bright side, if he gets fitter, gets more matches under his belt and trusts his knee won’t give out-I don’t know about Slams, but he could still have a few surprises left for us.

  21. I’m so grateful for Jonathan’s recap & match stats and all of your comments. I was unable to watch Fed’s match live, and avoided all tennis updates today. Unfortunately I screwed up the recording and have no match to watch 🙁

    Sounds like it was a tough match to watch. I always hope for another miracle, and really am grateful that he made it into the quarters after so little play over the past couple of years. I will hold onto that positive thought.

    What do you think … will Fed be in Tokyo for the Opening Ceremony on July 23? A ceremony attended by the teams and VIPs only? My guess is ‘no’

  22. It must have been tough for you to write this article John unless you could have methods to get over it. Trust me. I was okay to take defeat after second set and telling myself it’s ok to lose after so much that happened. But that fan part in me never let me settle and let me sleep peacefully. It was a struggle for him and for me as well. In the morning feeling much better now. And after listening to the news that he will keep trying much more relaxed now. But jeez the manner of loss on center court made me almost cry.

    1. Nah not really difficult to write. Not sure what the hardest post to write has been, there were a few losses that pissed me off a few years ago when I was a bit younger. It will probably be a match that he had no business losing.

      But I’m not going to let someone else tennis results dictate my mental state to extreme levels as I have no control over them. If Fed wins I’m just slightly happier than the baseline level. If he loses I’m slightly sadder than the baseline level.

  23. Hello Fed Community, it’s been a very long time since I posted anything here but the circumstances are fully exceptional and I need to exteriorise the shock !!! I just want to say that it seemed that Federer was completely frozen by doubt, lost efficiency on the forehand and then lost everything.
    I don’t know how to say that in English but he seemed to have a “petit bras” crisis on this match. So frozen forehand, frozen footwork, frozen tennis IQ, frozen anticipation, frozen hitting zone selection, missing the obvious, feeling totally small in a very big world …
    I can’t judge Hurckaz because there was no player on the other side.
    Seriously this ball that he let pass by at the volley in the first set (that ended up being good), followed by a beak of his serve on that game: that was the beginning of the end. Bad luck in the tie break with the slip on the line … Nothing to build positivity on and to free his game!
    I trust the bagel will awaking the warrior in him. His tennis is still there we saw it, except on this last match, it was never there!!! I KNOW THAT NOW HE WILL THRIVE FOR REVENGE AND COME BACK A WARRIOR!

  24. Feels like there is a vaccum created in me after his loss. He has to understand that he has to throw away the limitations such as age, injury, being dad of 4 or any excuses. Our body will listen to our mind, not vice versa. Who knows 2022 may be a 2017 for him if he improves. He just has to be in the process of every day matters and every tour be it 250/500, he has to participate in each tour and keep playing because improvement ll follow when something is in the process. If its not today, its not any day then. He is not at the age where he can wait by resting. He has to feel one important thing that he is not Federer alone rather he is the collection of all his fan’s mind/desire/passion. It is very clear evident that if he wins a small tournament he ll start the feeling of winning a tour again. He can be as good as he was b4. The game could have changed had he got the tie break at least. We need to be happy that he didn’t meet djoker in final with this form. For djoker it just the walk on the park now. It is very difficult to unlearn some at his level and learn new nuances now. But he needs to if he still want to. Now 20 20 20 is very much in the offing. Wish he informs retirement at least before a tour starts, not after the match.

  25. Like everyone, I’m trying to imagine, what’s up next for Federer. And this is my impression.
    Tennis is for Federer more than a sport, in which he is excelling over so many years. It’s turned to be a kind of a drug to which he’s addicted. Not tennis as such, but the lifestyle, the experience of crowds support, of course also big wins. But even if big wins are no more going to happen, he will still play so long he can deliver 1-2 big matches in a tournament. Maybe big matches against weak opponents, but still – fans will cheer for him, fans will be happy with watching his superb points, even if they will be not enough for winning. No idea, what happens, if doses of this drug will be regularly lower. This can end in abstinence. But not as long as he is able to have some wins. No more big titles? Maybe small ones. Then maybe no more tournament’s titles.
    He’s too long on the tour and has too good experience with this kind of life. Family cannot replace this. Family is a nice addition, where he can find peace after an early loss or injury. So long as the family will be OK with him still travelling all over the world, no more with family.
    What happens with fans if this goes this way. Some will stop following and watching. Some will get old together with Federer and because Federer is an important part of their life, they will not give up so long he does not give up.
    I can hardly imagine Federer to have right now any will and concept of retiring. He’s crossed the boarder and there are no ready solutions.

      1. Well summed up bro.In all my teenage years and till date he is the medicine to keep the things flowing in other part of life until he is in a tournament and winning. The day he loses it is kind of bitter pillow to swallow and the effect used to be there for a full day. Even during current Wimbledon when the match was happening, I kept praying, Roger, please make my Thusday, please make my Saturday, please make my manic Monday, Wednesday etc. I was hoping he would atleast make my Friday which was unfortunately no. Watching him play is like a religious experience as somebody told some time back. And now to your sentence “Some will get old together with Federer and because Federer is an important part of their life” – this will apply to me. I am getting old together with him though I am almost 7 years younger to him, that feeling is there.
        And lastly, we kind of totally wrong with the result. We anticipated an easy win but it turned out to be a tough loss for fans like us.

    1. @Venkat Sankarasetty
      You may know, I’m Thiem’s fan too. He has just a disaster year so far and now a long pause before he plays again and who know, how. He may not have the age to think of calling it career but he has personality to do this (other life’s passions and an extremely hard road to the top behind him). So I’m not sure if he will be really back.
      And I must think, like all Federer’s fans, what next?
      Well, I have still a chance to watch him back on top, but maybe not. I have a blog, where I write about all ma passions, and the big part of the blog is just Thiem and tennis overall. I have all his matches recorded on m,y Dropbox and linked to my blog. What to do with my fandom? What to do with the blog?
      Well, I’m just doing this – watching his best matches when I have just the right mood to watch them. They are never boring to watch.
      Don’t have Federer fans not a lot more to watch? We still read some beautiful books we have read for the first time 50 years ago. Are Federer’s matches not just such books?
      And hey – Federer is still alive. Even if he stops to play, it’s almost sure, he will still do something around tennis and not turn a man closed in his private life. Still some fun for fans to expect 🙂

  26. On the speculation of addiction: I think he might be as much addicted to the CHALLENGE of “ascending the mountain” of new and hitherto unknown apparent difficulties. To learn from positively struggling through them. This part of sportsmanship I’m really able to admire, and as long Federer has the energy struggling along, the more gifts of experience he – and we the supporting fans too – may obtain.

  27. I got interested in tennis because of Roger. His style, his brilliance, sportsmanship are unique. The tennis world just won’t be same when he decides to stop playing in the ATP. For me Djokovic’s game is boring to watch and his attitude, well not much to say there. Federer’s loyalty to the game and to his fans is what keeps him so engaged and drives him to work hard and still put all his effort. He is beyond ranking and trophies.

  28. I love RF as much as everybody else, but seeing the highlights of the last match vs Sonego, it is clear that father time is where it is and he is not going back to W19 levels and won’t be able to win any more tournaments .This time he should hang the racquet. I did not want to watch the highlights vs the polish. I prefer to remember him moving and playing like in his prime. The GOAT Roger Federer!.

    1. If you don’t want to watch, you simply stop to watch. You may still watch highlights from his prime time (one of his prime times actually). Of course nobody will want to watch highlights from Fed’s matches in 2021. But there is so much to watch, it’s enough for your second life. And you may still look for one of the younger players to watch live. You will not find another Federer, but some are nice to watch and it’s still a big competition in many cases. Maybe you need some break between watching live Federer and watching live an upcoming hero. If you love tennis, you will find someone to follow.
      Look, I have started to watch in times of Borg, Vilas, McEnroe, Becker, Agassi, Sampras, Kuerten and many others. When Federer was just starting his pro career, I started mine at 50+. I’m doing it right now, but after Federer I will follow Thiem so long he plays. And then probably I’m not watching anymore, because I’m 80+ or no more alive 😉

  29. Hi I used to be on here then left for a while but I really want to please make a comment I here about Fed
    First,y I have loved him since 2001 as have my family who today were all whatsapping from round the world their upset at his loss but also their pride in his getting to the quarters. Not to be forgotten in all this hype about retirement . Let’s deal with that for a start. I put a question to you all , would a man return to the scene of his most crushing defeat so soon afterwards. to practise as Roger Federer did today at Wimbledon , if he was considering retirement ???? Would he not be on a plane head in hands crying back to his family saying ‘ this is it darling boo hoo. Well instead he is back in his whites they gave him a private practise court and he is hitting balls for all his might This shows the manner of the man and his character No retirement looms any time soon He will be back to SW19 and won’t let his last match to be that one . Also sorry but family is paramount t to him he will want Mirka there for support when the time comes to walk away from Wimbledon anyone who says differ t does not know the man , or who the y are dealing with . She is his life source without her he would have retired years ago fact
    He had a terrible match buT this is not the end he needs his confidence building and to deal with demons goi g I his head too much to think about so he’s not free to play his game. He will be back may not be the Fed of years back but he will return and no one has the right to tell him not to . His decision that’s it .

  30. Sorry if I sound bossy or bombastic but people writing Roger’s obituary are in my mind not only unkind but unwise
    He has a lot to think about and has to deal with what is going on primarily in his head which gets in the way of his play as we know Tennis is a mental game and he has been through a far bigger ordeal over the last year than anyone probably knows
    So please stop writing him off just because he did not make the final and walk away with slam 21
    We must stop thinking about ourselves and think about him. He owes us nothing remember we owe him and should if a true fan be proud and inspired by the fact he is still playing
    As sir Andy Murray said
    For the love of the Sport. An inspiration. Fed is just that

  31. One more passing shot. Ha ha this time from my husband who has had to put up with all this hullabaloo about Feds loss all day from me. He says thins

    He’s just had a bad day ata the office a really bad day we all have them but you don’t just hand in your resignation and quit because of it
    When the going gets tough the tough get going

    He lost a tennis match that’s it

    I asked him if he would have felt the same if England had lost the football and he said
    Yes it’s just a match

    Good night all please try and rest easy he’s not quitting

  32. The whole debate is going to about nothing. We have speculated everything possible and should now take a break and wait for Fed’s decisions. Of course (digital) paper is patient but tomorrow is a day too much to continue. Emotions have spoken. No real analysis is possible or necessary.

  33. Man, some of these comments are just mindblowing to me. The guy has barely played any tennis for a year and a half and reached the 1/4 finals. Obviously we want to see him win it all but this isn’t a bad run all things told. If he wins the 2nd set maybe it’s a different match, but it’s pretty clearphysically he was pushed thin because he hasn’t had this kind of intensity for a while. Didn’t sound like Fed was contemplating retirement after this either, nor should he be imo. He can clearly still play, just needs to get more matches. Will he win another Slam? Who knows, what I do know is that one day, maybe one day soon, we will have seen his last match, and I’m certainly not in a hurry to get there!

  34. Grass is brutal, for all that Federer has accomplished on it. The margin for error is so small, the surface so tricky, and the pace of play so fast, that he needs to be in peak form to deal with these kinds of matches of bang-bang, serve-return, reaction tennis. He just got caught cold by a player who had a simpler, more consistent style.

    Maybe now people will appreciate how tough it was for him to dominate at the All-England Club all those years. He made it look easy but it was never easy. Because he has so many options in his game it’s really tough for him to make those split-second decisions on grass and pick the right shots at the right moments. If he’s even a little off, you get a result like yesterday’s.

    If people had been told a week ago that Federer would make the QFs of Wimbledon, they would have thought it was a great result given his age, how little he’s played this season, and that he’s recovering from double knee surgery. It’s only a disappointment because everyone secretly hoped he would go all the way.

    It’s not the end, although predictably the media is hyping it as such. (Note they have been predicting the end is nigh since Wimbledon 2008, and he’s still around).

    Life is a process, recovery from injury and surgery is a process. You can’t shortcut the process, it just takes time. Federer understands this, he stays optimistic, and the journey continues. C’mon Roger!

  35. Pretty sad to watch him lose like this, but it was not a shocking defeat. These type of defeats have been happening more and more as he gets older and when he’s recovering and getting back into the groove, not very surprising. Hope he continues playing and gets better. I am hoping for SF or F in the US Open, not very realistic, but would be super cool if it happened. I would prefer him not playing in Olympics. Too much trouble and with Stan on the mend, no hope of medals in doubles either. If Roger spends the rest of summer getting ready and doing well in the hard courts, very successful year at this age and encouraging for another season with Roger in it.

      1. Who will go for OL in a big bubble and without crowds?
        Nadal and Thiem declared before to skip. Djokovic told, he goes only if crowds are there. It will be ATP250 with medals instead of usual trophies. A battle for Top20+ maybe, who don’t care about crowds but a medal is still some trophy and there are some ranking points. Can hardly imagine Fed flying to Tokyo, but who knows? Could meet his biggest sponsor and play Nishikori in the final.

  36. Some of us have provided reasonable, sensible perspectives on this crushing loss to HH. Should we be more realistic with our expectations from someone, who, despite being GOAT, is still 39-going-40, was 5-3 YTD coming to SW19, hasn’t played much for close to 2 years, has had 2 knee surgeries etc? Besides, Fed has been vulnerable in the 2nd week since USO 2017. In the 10 GS events since, Fed has stumbled in R4 thrice, QF thrice, SF twice & lost the final and won the final once each. So this is not exactly something new or highly unusual. More par for the course, really. The modern game is too exhausting for a 40-year old to win 7 matches in 2 weeks, IMHO. Look at what’s happened to Rafa this year, despite being 5 years younger. I’d say Rafa’s loss to Djoker at FO was even more crushing since he has dominated FO far more than Fed has dominated SW19. I won’t write off Fed. He knows what’s left in his body and mind better than we do. I agree that he should get himself in match-fit shape by playing more smaller tournaments. But I wouldn’t be surprised if ATP decides to celebrate 2022 as a farewell year for Fed (and Rafa?) to make money off their two most bankable and nicest stars. Also hope Thiem shakes off his Annus Horriblis and takes his place as the heir to the Big Three in addition to Tsitsi. Zverev is more like Ferrer and Medvedev like Murray. IMHO of course!

    1. Thiem’s Annus Horribilis is complicated and simple story at the same time. He didn’t lose his potential. He lost timely motivation after maiden Slam qnd needed to rethink, if continuing this hard work over 15 years makes sense only to win maybe another slams or a few more.
      On the other side it was that simple as he (for different reasons, Covid, Massú out because of Covid) missed actually the off-season preparation, which is maybe more important for him than others, as he needs more of hard work to be prepared for the year. It ended with an injury, which would never happen, should he have been well prepared.
      If he can start again to fly high this year or first the next year, is not so important. He comes back for sure and will play his best tennis again, which is the second best game on the tour after Fed+Rafa (somehow combining good parts of their games) – I’m not comparing his achievements of course but the game and how good it is to watch. I like serve&volleyers and guys playing a lot at the net (like Fed rather than like Raonic ;)), but among modern baseliners Thiem is the most complete and attractive player. And, just like Fed with Edberg), he may add some day more net play, more trick shots a.s.o., but he needs time. He plays new elements in his game good in matches only after he has perfectioned them in training, which takes time. I would like to see him being somehow coached by Federer. They have good chemistry and have a live private contact (not via social media). Fed could help Thiem to beat Djokovic in slam finals, to have some decent game on grass and more.

  37. Hi, guys.

    I tried to read all the comments and some of them
    are truly great. I also love Roger and want the best for him.

    I am not sure what the future holds. It is very easy to be negative right now but sometimes I have to remind myself that I had written off Roger in 2013 after he lost to Tommy Robredo at the US Open.

    He clearly needs to “retool” his game. Not sure what exactly he needs to work on. Clearly it has to start from the serve. Everything starts with the serve.

    His whole game, confidence, everything stems from him being able to hit aces, service winners, etc. He is getting broken way to often.

    I am not sure if it’s the service motion, the ball toss or what but he’s too inconsistent right now.

    We also know that when one part of your game is lacking, the doubts start to creep in and the whole game just falls apart.

    So, instead of going absolutely crazy with all the predictions, etc., I think that he needs to rebuild his service motion again.

    I know that Djokovic went through that. Nadal did it. To some extent, Roger did it too with the change of the racquet. But right now, way too many serves are coming back and that throws Roger off.

    Not sure what else to add and I am curious what you guys think.

    1. So, perhaps adding a different coach – someone that is a serve bot specialist – someone to help him with the serve would be a wise move. Perhaps it’s time to let Ljubičić go and hire a new coach – with new ideas, voices, etc.

      1. Serve bot specialist for 40 years old after knee surgery? I guess, you find no one. Or you make Fed grow to reach 2,00 m or more? 😉 And then you expect his hand+brain magic stay? Ljubicic is good. Ljubicic is old friend now. And who would dare to start the job right now? Under the pressure to make Fed slam-winning-ready again?

      2. He should have hired Becker or someone with killer instinct as early as 2013. Hiring mr. Nice guy Edberg was a mistake even then.

      3. Roger has great serve technique and rythym even today. Issue is probably related to knee recovery and mental confidence. Rythym is dependent on confidence. In IMHO he needs coach with killer instinct but I think that ship has sailed.

      4. @sraman
        It’s not about killer instinct of the coach but of the player. Federer never needed (and probably never had by design) a killer instinct. Now you want to see Federer at 40 with killer instinct? If he cannot win with his skills because of age and injury, what should help him to get suddenly a killer instinct? Killer instinct has only sense if you have the physicality to be one. For sure not now.

    2. I can give you some extreme example. Assuming you was normal pro player over years and then you land on wheelchair. You need to “retool” your game completely, but … your opponents are also wheelchair.
      Fed can retool whatever he wants, but – as you told – everything starts with serve. Are you playing tennis yourself? If so, you must know, the serve relies 90% on legs, of course including knees. The most power of the serve (and this affects accuracy too, accuracy without some power and speed is nothing). How do you retool your serve to skip the knee issue? Djoker has changed his serve motion because of elbow. Not sure, how and why did Nadal change the serve motion. Maybe to serve more flat. Not because of a physical limitation.
      Fed can invent new fake shots but how can he invent/change anything, which depends on legs? His legs cannot deliver anymore what is needed in today’s (don’t want to call it modern) fast and powerful tennis. His knee will always be a problem just for serving. The other effect is even worse: to hit half-volleys and not with slice, when coming balls are fast and hard, you need again fit knees, because the back-swing is missing.. He cannot step back and do the full backswing, because this would destroy his game.
      The only thing, he theoretically could do (probably not much in his hands) would be to heal and rehab the knee completely. But look at Stan or others, a lot younger than Fed, coming back after knee surgeries (don’t think on Nadal, he had never a knee surgery, but therapies with stem cells).
      In my recreational tennis “career” I have had almost every typical tennis injury, but what made me really decline, was my first (and last) knee injury (knee joint twist), without surgery but with long and slow rehab. Doctor told me to stop tennis for ever or I will land in a wheelchair. I didn’t follow his recommendation and after almost 10 years I’m still able to play some tennis. But never the same. I’m serving slower and weaker, of course I’m not running so fast and flexible as before. There is no way back.

  38. Someone watching or following scores of Berrettini vs. Hurkacz? How nice from Matteo – just bagelled Hurkacz in second set and leads 2:0 🙂

  39. @Vily, interesting comment about serve. But I think Roger knows how to do that. In my view it seems more general about trust and other psycho-physical to let the energy flow, instinct, intuition, balance, freeing the physical energy channels. Any coach about enhancing that…could maybe a martial art specialist or master with practical knowledge/experience from for instance the far east famous schools – from there’s a good many methods to power the energy far up in age. Tai-Chee, others, you name it.

    1. I think that Roger has to give himself 18 months and see how far he can push. He can potentially try one last PUSH to the Summit – through knee REHAB, Serve Retooling, etc.

      Clearly, he needs to be inspired. A new coach could reset his mind and give him a breath of fresh air. He doesn’t have 5 years but 18 months – 2 years could be sufficient for him to rebuild himself and try and see if the results will follow. The game is rapidly evolving and he’s running out of time but if he’s willing to go through it WITHOUT any physical set backs, then go for it.

      The body did hold up – or maybe it didn’t. Not sure but he was very flat in the last match.

      1. @ Vily I’ve tried to answer your answer, but unfortunately misplaced it under PRF’s answer to Arjuna a few comments below. If interested you can read my answer there

      2. Martial arts are good. Taking new coach is good. For regular people aged 40+. Not for pro athletes after so long and intense career. Everything in the body underlies wear and tear. At some point something is broken. Look at DelPo, Murray, Stan (I take only guys from the very top). They were younger, when something got broken. They have had surgeries, they have had rehabs. Everything on professional level. At this age and with injury making surgery necessary and a long long rehab, you never get your old fitness back, because everything in the body around the broken thing is worn and torn over years.
        Martial arts could maybe help Fed to be fir for the rest of normal life. No more for competitive tennis on top level.
        If 12 months of rehab are not enough, 24 will not make much more.
        If Fed can be happy with reaching 3. or 4. rounds of slams (and not playing anything else), it’s maybe possible. To turn the clock back you need more than miracles.
        Just like Murray is telling since some years. He knows, he can do better. If the body holds. But the body does not hold anymore.
        What can help to clear mind, get new ideas, if the knee will still not be fully fit?

      3. We’ll see. He can still play, and if knees are ok, it’s the mind that needs strengthening. Training Chinese martial art can do miracles (also for a sore back!). We may need such, and Federer was a miracle himself so far. Fed is Fed, not Murray, Stan or DelPo. Cum Jetze!

      4. Fed is Fed. Some think, Fed does not always do like Fed.
        Is this so hard to understand, he has first of all knee problem (plus sore back and lot of other ailments we don’t know about, but they are normal after 20 years of pro athlete career). You can rejuvenate yourself by different means, be it martial arts, yoga, acupuncture, ajurweda, homeopathy, vegan life, love&peace and so many other, more individual ways.
        But they all cannot heal knees. They can maybe help in the rehab, but cannot restore the state from before the injury.
        If surgery was chosen, I must imagine, they have considered every other available option (if someone does not believe in homeopathy, will never choose to try it). Cannot imagine, Paganini or Troxler have never heard about Chinese medicine a.s.o. All these methods are probably super effective for most (believing) people, but they also mostly take time. Even Federer cannot turn the clock. He can invent something new in his game, but he is going to be 1 year older after a year, like we all. He cannot use a wand to turn the clock back, make the injury never happen and then turn the clock ahead so to live again in the time we all are living in.
        If Tai-Chi did help you and homeopathy helped me or love&peace or getting vegan helped Djoker, it’s everything fantastic. If Fed finds something, which can help him similar way, he will try it out. To be happier in life, whatever he does. In physical terms Fed is just like DelPo, Andy or Stan or anyone else, in tennis and beyond. There is no special biology for The Fed.
        But – there are people able to heal others even over long distance. Do it, of you can 😉

      5. We’ll see. We may be pessi or opti, own choice, reasons for both, none is guarantied.

  40. Pathetic from Shapo, really, and I like the player. But he is serving for the 1st set and cracks; then gets broken right on time at 5-5 in the 2nd despite holding pretty well throughout . All mental. This Djokovic is quite beatable but nobody makes him even pay a little. Federer (in his late 30s) and Stan at least from 2015-2019 kept things honest.

    1. No! Shapo was playing his best tennis. But to beat Novak you need more. Either you need to overpower him (like Thiem did many times, but never in the slam final) or …. you need to accept the loss. It’s not possible to have such mental strength Djokovic has (partly by design, partly learned by experience) being such a young player.
      Would you say, Fed was pathetic in his last 3 losses to Djokovic in Wimbledon?

      1. @Vily, thanks for answering. When I mentioned martial arts, I was referring to the small knowledge and experience I’ve obtained earlier in my life, learning and practicing the branch of Chinese Martial arts called Tai Ch’i Chuan, sensing what extreme effect it has both psychic and physical. I healed from hard physical tightness (from nerves) obstructing my performance as a musician. – Once our master placed himself in front of a long row of us students, each holding hands on the back of the person in front, and his back on the very front. Then he said hahaha – and the energy from his body transplanted so forcefully that we all fell to the ground, no possible way of resisting. He was quite old – around 60. Many are the tales of such, but this I myself experienced. And here’s a small (and not very informing) extract from wikipedia about this energy, called qi (same as “ch’i”), running in the so called meridians of the body:
        Use of qi[edit]
        (Main article: Qigong)
        The concept of qi or ch’i (氣) is encountered in a number of Chinese martial arts. Qi is variously defined as an inner energy or “life force” that is said to animate living beings; as a term for proper skeletal alignment and efficient use of musculature (sometimes also known as fa jin or jin); or as a shorthand for concepts that the martial arts student might not yet be ready to understand in full. These meanings are not necessarily mutually exclusive.[note 1] T
        There are many ideas regarding the control of one’s qi energy to such an extent that it can be used for healing oneself or others.[48] Some styles believe in focusing qi into a single point when attacking and aim at specific areas of the human body. Such techniques are known as dim mak and have principles that are similar to acupressure.[49]

      2. @Fabio
        I know. But how can you expect from someone at 22 years and being some talent and having nice shotmaking to deliver what some less known guy Mr. F. can deliver, both in his prime time and even in last years (before the injury)?
        With the experience of Won/Lost matches of 7-20 versus Top10? 19:14 in slams. With Novak having the same stats of 222:101 vs. Top10, 83:36 in finals, 310:45 in slams?
        Give him time. He will win slams (or not) in 5 years. It was his maiden slam semi.
        BTW – I like his game but don’t see slam winning potential in him (so far). Being a total underdog he can swing freely in such matches but that’s all.

  41. What type of fitness does Roger do? Do you think he needs a new fitness trainer? Roger has looked somewhat skinny no six pack uneven arms why is that?

    1. Paganini is one of the best trainers out there who understands his requirements and limitations.

      A defined six-pack is not a sign of strength/fitness either.

    2. Most tennis players have uneven arms, I’ve noticed (good grief, the difference for Bjorn Borg was startling). What good is it having a “non-working” arm which is the same thickness as your working arm, which is the one which does all the bashing of balls?

      And Roger has gone on record as not liking having his abdominal muscles too taut because it adversely affects his stroke.

  42. Looks like Center court crowd is behind Berrettini just to see Roger’s record safe😄Novak, poor guy😄

    1. The crowd is not behind Berrettini, it’s against Djokovic. As always. But this is no problem for him – he plays better if the crowd is against him. So not that poor guy as you may wish 😉
      Then, guess, who sits in the crowd. Mostly people who normally cheer for Fed. So they kind of see Federer in Berrettini and that’s why they cheer for him. Part of the crowd is simply cheering for the underdog, which is OK.
      I can’t help, I can cheer for Berretini, because his tennis is no tennis – throwing rockets from the height is his only weapon. Even if a bit boring, Djoker’s game is still top tennis, not comparable with Fed’s just like Fed’s is not comparable with Nadal’s a.s.o.
      So I’m cheering for tennis (sorry, but this means cheering for Djoker).

      1. Berretini has weapons but not broader skills. For example at one point at the net when he know Novak would cover his FH he still went there two Handed BH because he lacked the skills to slice it with One hander crosscourt. Novak may not be awesome in his shots but has broader skills to adapt to the point.

      2. I agree that Novak’s game is not comparable to Fed in terms of style, poise, grace and natural talent. But at the end of the day you must win the point. In that regards Novak is Superior to Roger because while Roger plays with instinct, Novak plays based on the moment being fully aware of the moment. I am tempted to say that while Roger Ooos and Awws Novak Delivers.

      3. In spite of RF’s ego he at some point accepted Nadal as equal or even better than he him. Maybe that acceptance was what eventually enabled him to beat him later on. But his ego never accepted Djoko which I
        MHO caused him to choke 2019 finals. Us Fed fans are more at peace with Nadal than Novak because RF never acknowledged Novak because of his ego

      4. @sraman
        Not sure, why Federer has so much more problems with accepting Djoker. Maybe simply missing chemistry and Nadal was first to beat him and – just given Roger’s ego – there was no more place in his ego to accept another one.
        Whih actually made Fed less able to defeat Novak, just on his ground.
        It would of course make little sense to compare the games and personalities of the three and everyone has his fandom. For obvious reason first is Fed, than Rafa, than Novak.
        I don’t watch generally Djoker’s matches, if he does not play Federer or Thiem but I must say, Djoker’s ability to win matches, where he actually does not play big, is something, nobody else on tour has, let’s call it brain game. Of course he has perfect skills (for his game) and is a superb athlete, but I see his main skill just the brain game, the ability to win even on a bad day.

      5. This is my analysis so take it with a grain of salt. Nadal while not talented as Fed has some fireworks shots and he just does not win point by his consistency alone. He has Fireworks and talent as well. But Djoko you see all his matches nothing really worth much remembering. He plays deep into corner without much pace, this is something even Nadal And RF are not good at (unless Nadal is moonbaling).This lack of pace on extreme corners makes it difficult for may players particularly to backhand corner.

        You can just see that while Nadal beat Federer with Fireworks, Novak beat him with no Fireworks. For someone as naturally talented as Federer you can imagine what this would have done to his psyche.

        This is why I believe Federer is unable to accept Noavk as he did with Nadal and until he accepts this he ca never beat him.

      6. As much as a hard core Fed fan I am, I even contemplated the thought that Fed’s injury claim before Aus Open 2020 semi against Novak was to protect his ego

  43. It’s amazing how stupidly these young guys play. Just blasting as hard as they can, otherwise slicing back and forth until it drops in the net. It’s like they have no plan to win other than hit really hard and expect good things. Another beatable Novak here (unlike 2015 and probably 2014), and nothing will change.

    It’s pretty clear he’d get to 20 here or anywhere else so soon, but hopefully someone takes him out at the USO so he doesn’t have every big record in the books. Unbelievable how thoroughly Fed has been eclipsed, and he has to take a large part of the blame, with his stubbornness and broad ineffectiveness at so many big moments in the past five or six years.

  44. Again, 15-40 to break back, two makeable passes on each wing, blundered huge time. Even if you later lose the set, you need to make those balls, keep novak honest.

    Berretini did nothing to press the initiative he had after the comeback in the first, just kept overhitting and blundering under pressure. Youd think it was sampras up at net, how quickly he buckled every time novak went up there.

  45. Novak is unquestionably the greatest player ever, and is far superior to Fed in terms of his accomplishments. The only real record Fed has left is consecutive weeks at 1, and who knows if that’ll stand. Now, at 39, novak might suck too, but that’s years away. With his physical gifts, mental strength, and approach to play, he’s left everyone in the dust. Nineteen grand slams in a decade and more to come, every Masters twice, positive numbers against the best, most at 1…acknowledge the GOAT.

    But hey, at least Roger beat Novak in one slam final (2007!) And he hit that nice tweener against him in 2009. And he got him in a few semis too! Meanwhile, Novak won every time it counted, and everywhere to boot.

    1. We’ve got to sadly agree on this. What Djokovic has done will be hard to replicate. Hard to believe he was on 17 at the start of the year. Looks like Tokyo and the US Open are a mere formality and come 2022, he might be going for Graph and Williams’ records. Almost feel sheepish about everything that was being said about Roger in the mid-aughts. Having said that, he’ll continue to be my favourite player. I love his game and as John had mentioned earlier, there’s a ton of stuff from his prime to revisit.

      This might sound strange, but I almost feel that the pressure is off Roger (and to some extent Nadal). He no longer carries the mantel of being the GOAT. Perhaps that’ll allow him to swing freely and walk away on his own terms….

      1. “What Djokovic has done will be hard to replicate.”

        I’m not quite so sure about that, actually, especially if all you care about is number of Slams. Think about it: 3 of the greatest of all time playing more or less simultaneously, 60 Slam titles, and all preventing the others from winning more of those. What if there had only been 2 of them? ~30 Slams each? What if there’s only one, with no real competition? He doesn’t need to be anywhere near as good as any of the Big 3 – as long as he’s superior to his own competition, he can be quite inferior to them. He only (“only”!) needs to win 5 solid years ‘ worth of Slams to be even at 20-all, so potentially it’s doable over a whole career, as long as he doesn’t get bored sweeping everything before him and decide to retire. If he gets, say, 6 years’ worth and beats what’s currently 20-20-20, you’d have to call him GOAT even if he was distinctly inferior to ALL the Big 3. That makes no sense in my book. Most Successful of All Time – I have no problem with calling whoever wins the most that. Greatest, not necessarily.

        Today’s Djokovic was potentially quite beatable, but not by a player whose limited albeit heavy weaponry wasn’t functioning anything like optimally. And does it bug me that quite a few of his recent championship wins have been against the younger and/or more inexperienced players rather than those experienced at that level who might have been expected to test him rather more sternly, or even beat him? You bet.

      2. I agree what Novak has accomplished is indeed remarkable. If we really consider the fact that the concept of competitive Big-3 comes into picture only post 2007, then even 20-20-20-20 is misleading, it really is 20 (ND)-16(RN)-8(RF) and if we take their entire career and count GS titles won by beating on of the Big-3 on the way to title it is 14(ND)-15(RN)-7(RF). So one has to wonder if there was really Big-3 or probably Big-2 2005-2007 and then again only Big-2.

        Having said all that RF is still my Favourite Player. His charisma and popularity will be hard to match.

  46. Hard court is Novack’s best court. May be a slam same year. He sealed the deal as hoat winning Paris but winning U.S. puts him above Nadal and Fed put together. Not to mention the Golden ATP 1000 . Nadal predicted this he said Novack was the best player he ever faced. Still fed is most popular.

  47. Not only did the next gen mug it up one after the other, Fed screwed himself by not converting 40-15 on his serve. Shameful stuff. But hey, Fed is earning 10 million every year by doing nothing. Something to take away.

  48. Novak hugely benefits from the weakest era in men’s tennis. Never before a guy has dominated the scene in the age-timeframe of 29-34 while 5/10 or 15 yeras younger guys just sucked instead of kicking his ass.

    1. Well, it’s one of acceptable speculations. Another is – Novak benefits from his winning mastery, whoever the opponent.
      Do you mean ut’s easier to beat one of the top younger generations than Fed or Rafa? No more. Many young are going to improve their H2H against Big3, not so easy against Djoker. So in fact Fed and Nadal are going to be weaker and this is the symptom of “weak era”. They don’t even reach slam finals. So their era (Fed and Nadal) is over. Novak is still on top, still fit, still improving, still able to win on bad days in the office, all thanks to his superb brain game.
      And … what do we need definitions of weak and strong eras? It’s only statistical speculations. Does not let us move forward. Yes we had obviously an Big3 era, Does it mean another BigX era must come? I think, these days the level among top-contenders is much more leveled and there are at least 20 guys able to beat each other on their days.
      IMO we will not have another BigX era. 2-3 years maybe of Novak’s lone dominance and then every slam a new winner. Reaching 3-4 slams will be an achievement. Does not mean the new generations are less talented or something. Tennis is changing as it was changing since decades. Before Big3 conditions may reappear, once Big3 are going to turn Big2-Big-Big0. Federer is done as a TopX part. Nadal is going shortly to be. Novak will be the last. TBH it was going to be boring to have regularly 3 guys winning all big titles. This will change soon.

      1. As I mentioned above now I am wondering if there was even ever a Big-3 era or was it just because we Fed fans could not just let go of RF. As per GS statistics it seems there were two Big-2 eras (2004-2010 and 2011-2021). Or what am I missing that makes case for Big-3 era?

      2. @sraman
        Everything depends on which time perspective you take. Or other definition. So you decide yourself if you see a Big3 era or not. If we take it from current perspective (20-20-20 slams and only very few won by other players during last 15 years or so) e have definitely Big3 era (going to an end). Then you can take any time interval to speak about Federer or Rafa or Djoker era.
        BTW “era” is not the right word. It’s used in history. And for bigger things than sports.
        Similar way you can find some “eras” in your personal life.
        This is only playing with numbers to get something meaningful. But nothing from what you get this way, is meaningful. And definitions are not sharp enough.
        It’s like you was a scientist and tried to prove a hypothesis with it’s assumptions.
        But the Big3 definition simply does exist among players, coaches, officials, journos. You will not change it with your speculations 😉

    2. I would say he has benefitted so much because he didn’t drink the magic cool-aid from Nick Bollettieri and the Florida tennis establishment that a lightning serve and a killer forehand was all you needed to win slams. The lost generation lost because they could only play from the back of the court. I doubt Djokovic at 20 could beat most of the Next Generation but with 13 years of experience he has a huge mental edge. Federer might be able to get healthy by training hard and avoiding slams until Wimbledon and Nadal is always a threat on clay but there are about 15 players capable of beating the big 3 on any given day and their protected rankings will soon evaporate only leaving Djokovic in the top 5 and Federer out of the top 10. The only player coming close to emulating Roger’s style is Shapovalov and only recently has his court movement improved to allow him to do that while there will be 5 players in the top 10 who are 6’5″ with all court games and Big 3 skills. Djokovoc’s defensive skills and Federer’s offensive skills have inspired a new more athletic generation of tennis players that will rival the athleticism of NBA players but while North America will dominate the NBA, Eastern Europe will dominate tennis. Although Italy seems to be producing some amazing players too!

  49. The 3 are all amazing legends – in different ways. In style and charisma we know who’s superior. The 2 others have other advantages, which are less likeable for me and RF’s other fans, who still are the greatest in numbers.

  50. Djokovic never really had much competition did he? Even though Shapo lost in 3, I think he was the closest to giving him a run for his money.
    Tired of the “who is the greatest debate”.

    1. Well – it’s just that. Guys are getting close against Djoker (like Thiem did in 2020 AO final – a lot more closer than Shapo in Wimbledon) and then they fail. It’s the same like playing Nadal in Paris. Thiem was also closer than anyone in 2019, but now Djokovic beats Nadal in SF and gets the crown.
      But Shapo delivered a good fight and “only” failed in the mist important moments. Like everyone, including Fed 😉
      I’m not tired of GOAT debate, because I have always ignored it. Do the same, if you can 🙂

    2. Yes the GOAT debate is boring. People try and enjoy watching various tennis and players and constantly in the background you’ve got people wanting to know the GOAT, it’s not terribly relevant and rather stupid, especially when it’s used as an argument to downgrade some really good tennis of one of the big 3.

      1. Wimbledon 2017 noting>nothing>nothing>Dimitrov>Raonic>Berdych>Cilic
        AO 2018 nothing>nothing>nothing>nothing>Berdych>nothing>Cilic
        Djokovic was off, Murray was off, Wawrinka, DelPo were off.
        Thiem was potential threat at AO, butz lost 4th round to surprise Sandgren.
        Not a big competition.

    3. Well, Jack Draper in the first round was the only one to actually take a set off him prior to the final, which says something. Shapo looked great, and fun, but failed at the crucial moments. I guess it’ll take a while yet before his mentality matures to the state where he can win those points.

  51. Wimbledon 2017 noting>nothing>nothing>Dimitrov>Raonic>Berdych>Cilic
    AO 2018 nothing>nothing>nothing>nothing>Berdych>nothing>Cilic
    Djokovic was off, Murray was off, Wawrinka, DelPo were off.
    Thiem was potential threat at AO, butz lost 4th round to surprise Sandgren.
    Not a big competition.

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